I am 100% convinced Butch Jones will bring us back

[InVOLuntary]

Wow. I hope Jones does turn the program around... but the denial here is amazing. There aren't hopeful signs in what we've seen the last two weeks and this is NOT a team devoid of talent. Discipline was a HUGE problem today as time after time UT lost contain. The offensive scheme isn't fooling anyone except occasionally UT's QB and WR's.

I have absolutely NO desire for Jones to fail. I would LOVE to see signs of real change. They just aren't there. UF did everything but beg UT to take the game in the first half today... and UT gave it right back to them. MUCH of that was poor preparation, poor execution, poor decisions, and poor playcalling.

Rather than retype all this I'll just repost it and claim it as my opinion as well.

 

[volswillrise12]

I think everyone wants to argue about this issue of "talent" versus "coaching" and I understand they are both relevant for Tennessee. We are sitting at 2-2 right now with the rest of the season left. No one wants to give Jones a pass this year just because of the status of the roster. If he were to go winless or win 1 game I think everyone on the board would want him gone. I agree with sjt I think at some point we need to see some tangible proof with this coach in the form of a quality win against a quality opponent. Now, when will that happen and with whom? I have no clue. I do know that kind of win never happened with Dooley. Did we have a chance yesterday? Yes actually I think going with Peterman too long cost us and that's a coaching decision. There's still the rest of the season left but I'm expecting all the culture change and positivity that Jones has created to pay off. I think the university or Dave Hart can ill-afford to be wrong. I can accept some coaching misfires because of the status of the roster and the overall talent of the team---but what can't be accepted is losing...in general and especially to lower tier teams like Kentucky. At some THIS SEASON CBJ and the coaching staff will have to have a "Show me/Show Us" win. His long term viability depends on it.

 

[Burger]

At this point in his UT tenure... Dooley was 2-2.

I'm not going to spoon feed you. If you are too ignorant to look at athleticism or accept the opinions of those who evaluate talent for a living then I am not going to waste my time typing a long response that you will ignore anyway. You are determined not to see it... so you won't.

And AGAIN... I am NOT claiming this is a roster with the talent to compete for the SEC. I am saying it is good enough to have won today and good enough to win 7 games if coached well this year.

Seven games is NOT a very high bar.

Your *****ing about Florida is extremely stupid considering you only want 7 games. We're too damn early in the year to call out. Jones's effort will be seen in maybe 2-3 weeks if were lucky. Jones has a 5-7 team he's trying to get to 7-5. Shut up and enjoy football season.

 

[plentygood]

I blame the Dools!

 

[Burger]

:dance2:

-Brown is better than Neal
-our DE's are terrible and dt not making an impact. You think J Williams and J Smith are SEC caliber? Ask sc, bama, fla, lsu, and even Ole miss what de's and dt's look like
-Downs can barely run
-qb's are the worst we have ever had

Nobody has said the schemes are perfect and when installing a completely new system, it is painful at times. That doesn't mean the lack of talent is given a pass.

We have no qb, Neal and Lane are below average, our Wrs and tes suck, our oline is slightly above average. Our Dline has no rotation at all now, our linebackers are getting stomped, and our DBs are alright.
There are little things you'll see that Butch is getting our team in the right direction. Effort is #1. Our scheme doesn't suck, We're making too many mistakes. Did you see all those drops by our talented receivers?
Rivals, scout, and 247 suck at evaluating talent. Look at the end of Larry Cokers years to see that. I think volnation can do better.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

We have a lot of problems, and the biggest problem right now is the roster. When you travel with over 10% of your roster being current or former walk-ons, you are in trouble.

Out O-line is extremely overrated, and play with no pad leverage in the run game, period. Even Jalen Hurd back there would be hard pressed to run behind it.

That being said, the gameplan yesterday was for crap on offense, and caving to public criticism of Worley and starting the poor man's AJ Suggs was an early black eye for Jones and Co. After that performance yesterday, I would say that start effectively ended Peterman's career at UT, and freed up a scholarship.

 

[UTvols#1]

Can't believe some of you are dogging butch after four games. This coach has gotten a team that quit every game to play hard til the end.With no depth and less than subpar talent we actually couldve won yesterday.The last coaching staff couldn't get that done in three years. Dooley was here over 1000 days and butch has been here around 200. He has achieved this already that we bi+ched about for years. Everyone one on here said " I just wish we had a coach that could teach the team to play the whole game".Guys if this game would play out next year like it did yesterday We will win with the recruiting class added to the roster.

 

[KBVol]

I'm no longer 100% convinced Butch will bring our program back. How could any sane person be 100% after watching this team play the last 2 weeks. Not sure how much I think he's the right guy. 50-50 maybe?

I still definitely believe he's gonna make this program better. To a championship level? No idea. After the last 7-8 years its hard to be patient. Hell, it's hard at times to still be a Vols fan.... But it's in the blood, so, here's to hoping he gets it done.

 

[Cartervol]

I think it's too early to tell. He probably gets 4 years no matter what at this point. Other than just imploding i don't see Tennessee making any kind of move soon..

 

[Spartacavolus]

We have a lot of problems, and the biggest problem right now is the roster. When you travel with over 10% of your roster being current or former walk-ons, you are in trouble.

Out O-line is extremely overrated, and play with no pad leverage in the run game, period. Even Jalen Hurd back there would be hard pressed to run behind it.

That being said, the gameplan yesterday was for crap on offense, and caving to public criticism of Worley and starting the poor man's AJ Suggs was an early black eye for Jones and Co. After that performance yesterday, I would say that start effectively ended Peterman's career at UT, and freed up a scholarship.

you are an idiot if you think Butch started Peterman because of message board or call in show criticism. He practiced well and he was looking for a spark. He would have never played Peterman if he would've known he would be scared ****less at gametime.

 

[KBVol]

I think it's too early to tell. He probably gets 4 years no matter what at this point. Other than just imploding i don't see Tennessee making any kind of move soon..

I agree and I do not want them to make a move anytime soon. He deserves 3 years at a minimum IMO. Just saying that before the season, with the way he handled everything off the field, there was little to no doubt in my mind he was the right guy. But now that I've seen the team perform, I'm just not sure. I've not seen anything through the first 4 games that gives me confidence that he's definitely the guy. Literally nothing. But, it's still awfully early..... I'm hoping we see this team grow in effort, intelligence, fundamentals and skill through the year so that 50-50 feeling about Butch edges up quite a bit. Fingers crossed.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

you are an idiot if you think Butch started Peterman because of message board or call in show criticism. He practiced well and he was looking for a spark. He would have never played Peterman if he would've known he would be scared ****less at gametime.

I said public, not message board there Sparty. There is a reason he didn't start the season to begin with, and to think he could do it on the road and in The Swamp wasn't a really good decision on their part at all.

 

[tm3]

Not many realistically expected a win over UF. But some different coaching decisions could have easily created a 16-0 lead for UT and might have resulted in CBJ getting his signature win. I would not call those decisions a death knell, yet, but they sure raise legitimate questions.

This team shows some fundamental improvement, and CBJ is clearly better than Doofus. But given that Doofus was the worst coach in UT history and one of the worst in the history of the SEC, being "better than Doofus" is not much and certainly won't be good enough to win SEC championships.

 

[billbattle]

I think it's too early to tell. He probably gets 4 years no matter what at this point. Other than just imploding i don't see Tennessee making any kind of move soon..

I pretty much agree with you. Public perception of the program, if nothing else, will keep Butch around for at least four years. We cannot continue with the musical chairs routine with the head coaching position. Some sort of stability has to take place, and it pretty much has to be now.

 

[zidanefan]

In a way... yes. He burned a lot of my patience. I am tired of losing. Tired of hearing platitudes and clichés. Tired of hoping for better days/plays then not seeing them.

I actually wanted Dooley held to a standard. I more than gave him the benefit of the doubt until he had ultimately failed.

Maybe it isn't fair... but I want to see Jones do something REALLY SOON to prove to me in a tangible, visible, meaningful way that he's better than Dooley. I have not seen anything in the last two games that looks any different from what we saw during Dooley's first two years. In fact, even Sal allowed only 6 more points to a BETTER UF O than UT allowed today against an O playing its 2nd string QB for the first time.

My biggest concern with Jones is that we have a coach who will recruit really well, get great players, but may not be a great coach... good, but not great. I don't want to end up winning 8, 9, maybe the occasional 10 per year and feeling like, "Well, it's a lot better than Dooley."

 

[Spartacavolus]

I said public, not message board there Sparty. There is a reason he didn't start the season to begin with, and to think he could do it on the road and in The Swamp wasn't a really good decision on their part at all.

Butch didn't get to be HC at UT for succumbing to public pressure of any kind and isn't going to start 4 games into his UT career. The idea of conspiracy theories at every turn gets old.
Fact is some kids practice well and play bad. Practice is not a game. If you think Peterman looked like that in practice and they put him out there anyway, I don't know what to tell you.
Hindsight always allows questioning and I'm sure he wishes now he didn't make the move, but it wasn't made because of pressure from public, donor, parents, message boards, reporters or any other form. He was looking for a spark and hoped to get some yards in the run game from the qb because Peterman had been confident and aggressive in practice.

 

[beneVOLence]

Not many realistically expected a win over UF. But some different coaching decisions could have easily created a 16-0 lead for UT and might have resulted in CBJ getting his signature win. I would not call those decisions a death knell, yet, but they sure raise legitimate questions.

This team shows some fundamental improvement, and CBJ is clearly better than Doofus. But given that Doofus was the worst coach in UT history and one of the worst in the history of the SEC, being "better than Doofus" is not much and certainly won't be good enough to win SEC championships.

I agree. I'm not down on CBJ yet to not turn this around, but I haven't seen a whole lot that proves to me that he will do it either. Yesterday was a game that could have been close and possibly winable after the circumstances with Driskle going down, but to start Peterman and keep him in there as long as he did was a mistake and that is on the coach.

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

Butch didn't get to be HC at UT for succumbing to public pressure of any kind and isn't going to start 4 games into his UT career. The idea of conspiracy theories at every turn gets old.
Fact is some kids practice well and play bad. Practice is not a game. If you think Peterman looked like that in practice and they put him out there anyway, I don't know what to tell you.
Hindsight always allows questioning and I'm sure he wishes now he didn't make the move, but it wasn't made because of pressure from public, donor, parents, message boards, reporters or any other form. He was looking for a spark and hoped to get some yards in the run game from the qb because Peterman had been confident and aggressive in practice.

If Peterman was good enough, he would have been made the starter from the onset of the season. He wasn't, he didn't, and the fact that Jones thought throwing him in at The Swamp was a good idea, is and was a bad decision.

 

[Spartacavolus]

If Peterman was good enough, he would have been made the starter from the onset of the season. He wasn't, he didn't, and the fact that Jones thought throwing him in at The Swamp was a good idea, is and was a bad decision.

and? So which one is it. Do you want a coach that tries to make a decision to win a game or one that stays status quo? Did you think we could win at fla with Worley? No, you didn't. Hindsight makes everyone look like a genius. I don't recall you *****ing about the switch prior to the game. Talk about how bad of a decision it is prior, rather than after it's all done, which is easy to do.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

Butch Being Stuck On This Weak Offense Is Why He May Not Be Around In 4 Years.

This.

Off tackle left from the Gun gets very predictable once you've run it half dozen times in the first half. Spike's Dad is going to have to get more innovative and really recruit his balls off. Oh, and #unbuttonthetopbutton because Spike's Dad looks like a dork.
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[g8terh8ter_eric]

and? So which one is it. Do you want a coach that tries to make a decision to win a game or one that stays status quo? Did you think we could win at fla with Worley? No, you didn't. Hindsight makes everyone look like a genius. I don't recall you *****ing about the switch prior to the game. Talk about how bad of a decision it is prior, rather than after it's all done, which is easy to do.

He should have just made him the starter the beginning of the week, and not made it the spectacle it became. That way, there is no question he is the guy. The way it was handled was bad, and it showed on the field.

 

[Spartacavolus]

He should have just made him the starter the beginning of the week, and not made it the spectacle it became. That way, there is no question he is the guy. The way it was handled was bad, and it showed on the field.

So the way the staff handled it resulted in Peterman's terrible turnovers? Got it.
If they would've named him early in the week, he has a flawless game. That makes a whole lot of nonsense.

 

[GoBigOrangeVols]

So the way the staff handled it resulted in Peterman's terrible turnovers? Got it.
If they would've named him early in the week, he has a flawless game. That makes a whole lot of nonsense.

What was apparent is that not only did Spike's Dad handle the situation wrong, he also made the wrong decision on which QB to play. I think it is fair to say Spike's Dad went 0 for 2 on handling the QBs last week. And given the fact that this was the first time in his tenure he was faced with a difficult decision, I'd say my confidence level with Spike's Dad as coach is pretty low, given the resulting outcome.
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[CountVolcula]

So the way the staff handled it resulted in Peterman's terrible turnovers? Got it.
If they would've named him early in the week, he has a flawless game. That makes a whole lot of nonsense.

They did put him in that situation

Untested and on the road in the SEC

Not good combinations

 

[g8terh8ter_eric]

So the way the staff handled it resulted in Peterman's terrible turnovers? Got it.
If they would've named him early in the week, he has a flawless game. That makes a whole lot of nonsense.

Trying to split a bunch of time between two QBs and the 1s, until 2 hours before the game starts, is pure nonsense. Pick a guy, go with him, and prepare for the week. That didn't happen, and it showed. Gameplan was crap, and having a green QB out there made it even worse. Everything yesterday resembled what it felt like to watch the QB carousel that was 2008.

Like I said, if Peterman was even close to Worley, in regards to playing QB, he would have started the season as the starter. Too many people talked about the disparity between Worley and Peterman, and consistently said it wasn't close.

It was a bad, bad, bad decision to start him on the road.