I have a question for some of the Political forum regulars....

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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Come to my church and see if that's true. That's truly an uninformed statement right there. You can't pick and choose what's in the Bible, it doesn't work like that.
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Pretty sure droski would rather get a colonoscopy than go to your church.
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droski said:
once again stop telling me i know nothing about the church. you don't know me. i very much doubt your church will discuss it's finances with me. as for your quarterly budget statement i'm sure it's very detailed right?
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It sure is, in fact, they will discuss whatever you would like with them. See, that's called transparency, something that people don't understand anymore. They tell us to the penny what has been collected, and where it goes. See, you don't know as much as you think you know, but it's expected on a message board. Here's a link to my churches website, go take a peek....

Brentwood Campus • Brentwood Baptist Church
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
I give $100 a month to my church, and that's not 10%, and I haven't been shown the door yet. Thanks for playing. I'd even tell you how much my church has collected in tithes, but you would just say they are money hungry and do nothing with it, without knowing anything about it.
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let's say you increased that $100 to $200. is it your belief that all of that extra $100 would go to charity and helping people since obviously they don't need that extra money for upkeep?
 
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tigervol9802 said:
Not really.

It it's the one I think it is, it's actually a great place. One of the best pastors/speakers I've heard.
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Ftr I have nothing against church or any religion.

Whatever people need to do to be a better person I would say.
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Alright man, you keep trying to cross your arms as say, "Well, I got him now." with almost every post you are posting in this thread. So, I'll put it to you like this, if a pastor at a church goes at 3am in the morning to sit beside someone's bedside who is dying and they request him being there, then he deserves whatever the Lord blesses him with. Your trying to corrupt the church and yet you know nothing about it. Sure, there are corrupt churches, but mine isn't, I can tell you that much for sure. In fact, I invite anyone on here who wants to go with me there to find out. Then, you can talk with the financial officers and they will be happy to go over things with you. We get a quarterly budget statement too, that lets us know where our money is going, every freaking penny.
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lulz... reading your post almost makes it sound like you're a member of a good credit union. :) although I guess there are similarities to good/bad churches and good/bad financial institutions.
 
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droski said:
but the question is what's a misuse of the giving? i've been to churches with extremely expensive sound systems, unbelievable facilites, etc etc. what do those things have to do with giving?
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What is done with it is a separate thing from the command to give. There is a command to give, which you said was not a Christian teaching. It is. This is not to do with actual giving. If you want to talk about responsible spending I can spend all day on that. Each church should be responsible and diligent in seeking a purpose for their money. There are quite a few places in the NT where we are told what to do and how to spend.

There are many churches who can show state of the art facilities as well as good works with money. There are some churches that look more like some high society country club that you have to be a certain class in society to walk in the door or risk dirtying up their fine carpeting. And there are some who are in a warehouse with bare minimum doing whatever they can with the community at large with every penny they can. That does not remove me from giving.

As someone who is very involved in missions especially with widows and orphans, I do my best to make sure every penny goes to the specific need. This is beyond any giving to a church but trying to model on what we are supposed to do. I know missionary friends who make every effort to live like those who they minister to - those in remote villages in dirt houses, etc. It's a tough issue - what money is spent on. But it does not take away from us giving in the first place.
 
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droski said:
let's say you increased that $100 to $200. is it your belief that all of that extra $100 would go to charity and helping people since obviously they don't need that extra money for upkeep?
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You going to argue semantics, or are you going to admit you know nothing about a churches finances and what they do with it, other than to argue that you seem to think that certain things shouldn't be done with giving?? Whatever the church can do with my little amount, and it is rather minuscule in my church, is what I care about. If a church is grounded in basic bible principles, then God will use that church as he see's fit, and their money as well. Honestly, if you have an issue with it, take it up with God, because he directs where the money goes in my church through prayer and his people.
 
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CSpindizzy said:
Yes. I see widespread anti-abortion groups blowing up buses, marketplaces, planes, and working to acquire WMD's all the time.
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I don't understand why it's so hard for you to comprehend this statement: I'm not comparing Christianity and Islam. I understand it's lopsided, but to say Christianity is a completely peaceful religion is silly.

I've said this about 4 or 5 times. It shouldn't be THAT hard.
 
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tigervol9802 said:
I used to go to Kairos when I lived there.

About the only problem I had with Mike was he let his boys go to Bama.:)
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Yeah, I wore a new Orange and white stripped shirt to church this past Sunday, and he asked where I got that ugly shirt. I told him I would pray for him. :)
 
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Not sure how other churches work, but we vote every year on the church budget, down to how much the crayons cost for the kids.

You hear stories (in which a lot of cases are true) about preachers that pull down 300k salaries and run the church like their own private business, it does happen. And its dead wrong.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Other than the bolded, which I would like to see some proof still, I agree with everything you said.

:hi:
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Europe was ripe with religious persecution after the Crusades. In fact, that was a driving force in the development of our nation.

The Protestant Reformation caused violence and death nearly all of the "developed" European countries. Don't forget about our very own witch trials, and that was just a few hundred years ago.
 
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BeecherVol said:
Not sure how other churches work, but we vote every year on the church budget, down to how much the crayons cost for the kids.

You hear stories (in which a lot of cases are true) about preachers that pull down 300k salaries and run the church like their own private business, it does happen. And its dead wrong.
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Depending on the church and its members, that still might not be enough. :eek:lol:
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
It sure is, in fact, they will discuss whatever you would like with them. See, that's called transparency, something that people don't understand anymore. They tell us to the penny what has been collected, and where it goes. See, you don't know as much as you think you know, but it's expected on a message board. Here's a link to my churches website, go take a peek....

Brentwood Campus • Brentwood Baptist Church
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so i guess none of your tithing went to the building of that spectacular building? because clearly spreading the gospel couldn't have been done for half the building cost price?
 
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Lexvol said:
Europe was ripe with religious persecution after the Crusades. In fact, that was a driving force in the development of our nation.

The Protestant Reformation caused violence and death nearly all of the "developed" European countries. Don't forget about our very own witch trials, and that was just a few hundred years ago.
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The state churches are very corrupt, which is why I don't like Catholic principles, and believe they go against what is taught in the Bible.
 
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droski said:
congrats. and what percentage of your tithing, not targeting giving on a random sunday, goes to charity? 100%? i guess that gods love pays the minister, pays for his car, pays for upkeep of the church, etc etc. if you wanted to give to charity giving to your church is a pretty bad return on your investment. i'll give you the name of many a local food bank that will give 90% of your donation to food for the poor.
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No one is required to give any money at my church.

We do "pass the hat"

We do know where our donations go.
We do not pay our pastor, pay for his car, no housing allowance etc. He works a full time job to support his family. We do take up a " love offering " for the pastor.
some give, some don't... personal choice.

We take up once a month for a local charity that feeds the poor... again some give, some don't... personal choice.

We take up once a month for a "genera l/ building fund". Some give... some don't. That is for the upkeep of the church.

We take up for a food and flower fund, again some give some don't.

If any member of our church knows of someone in need. They can bring it before the church with some details. If the church agrees they are in need we will take up a special donation for that person or family....some give some don't.

Anything anyone gives at our church, they know where the money is going.


I realize some churches are after the money. They want to build membership in order to increase thier donations.

I have never and will never attend a church that's about the money. I attend Church to worship God.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
You going to argue semantics, or are you going to admit you know nothing about a churches finances and what they do with it, other than to argue that you seem to think that certain things shouldn't be done with giving?? Whatever the church can do with my little amount, and it is rather minuscule in my church, is what I care about. If a church is grounded in basic bible principles, then God will use that church as he see's fit, and their money as well. Honestly, if you have an issue with it, take it up with God, because he directs where the money goes in my church through prayer and his people.
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if jesus wanted that building to worship him than he was a materialistic dbag.
 
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