I have a question for some of the Political forum regulars....

You totally misunderstood: only one gnostic group.

But your arrogance is appreciated.

Maybe you didn't express yourself so well.

Your impertinence duly noted.

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And has the OP ever heard of the crusades?

Post #s 276 and 278.





I feel like we are teetering on the edge of another semantics debate, this time on what is generally meant by "gnostic."

I was referring to the Mandaean sect of Iraq and Iran.

When muhammed's murderous Arab armies of islam swarmed out of the Arabian penensula there was a thriving Christian community in the Tigris/Euphrates valley. Mostly they were either slaughtered or converted by the sword to islam, if not made into slaves. The Assyrian churches in present day Saudi Arabia, Iraq and Iran were mostly destroyed. The Assyrian church was founded by the diciple Thomas who went on into Pakistan/India and founded churches there also.

The Mandaean gnostic texts should make for some interesting reading.

From a cursorary examination I would say they must have been influenced by Zoroastrianism, which btw influenced Judaism during the days of the Hebrew captivity in Babylon.

The Magi who appeared at the birth of Jesus were most likely Zoroastrians.

When Jesus walked and teached in the Holy Land, one day a diciple, (Peter if I recall) asked Jesus about others who were going about and preaching about Jesus and baptising in His name, and Peter said; "I know them not Lord."

And he was told by Jesus to mind his own business, 'if they be for us, they be not against us. Remember also that John the Baptist baptised many into the faith who had never met Jesus, they just believed what John told them, that the Messiah was nigh.



Yeah I tried to bring up the same thing to you and you said the same thing, we just need to omit that from history because it don't count. You actually contradict your self in your post "Mostly all been pacifists" I though you said all of them?

Christian terrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I know it's Wikipedia but several of those sites gsvol and others use are even less reliable and obviously skewed.

What site have I used that isn't factual??

Much of what is written on wiccanppud is purposefully deceiptful.

How about current history??

How about 10,000+ violent jihadist attacks just since 9/11??

How about ten+ million Christians slaughtered in the name of islamic jihad in the twentieth century??

Do you even have the faintest idea why the crusades were fought to begin with???? Again, read post #s 276 and 278.

Do you even have one bare clue as to what life was like for a Christian, provided he even lived, under the rule of islam????




hmmmmmmmmmmm they all are terrorist eh

2008 & 2009 Surveys and Polls

Link??

More polls.

Opinion Polls of British Muslims show that a disturbing minority are Islamists:
Poll, March 2004 -

13 percent support terror attacks on the US.

Poll, July 2005 -
6 percent support terror attacks on Britain.
13 percent have "a lot" of sympathy for the attackers.

Survey, Feb 2006:
16 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Israel.
7 percent of British Muslims support suicide bombing in Britain.

Survey, July 2006:
16 percent of British Muslims support the "cause" of the London bombers. These people should not be living in the West. If they do not believe in freedom, they should not live in the free world. They should leave.

Survey of British Muslims, Channel 4, Aug 2006 (also here)
24 per cent agreed or tended to agree that the 7/7 bombings were justified.
45 per cent think 9/11 was carried out by the US or Israel.
36 percent said they wanted Sharia law in the UK.

Half said British people who insult Islam should be arrested and prosecuted.
Almost 80 per cent said those who published cartoons of the prophet Mohammed should be punished.

Survey of British Muslims, Channel 4, June 2007
24 percent of British Muslims deny that the four British Muslim suicide bombers carried out the 7/7 attacks.
24 percent of British Muslims believe the British government carried out the 7/7 attacks.

40 percent of Muslims want sharia law in UK.

The young are worse than the old:

Poll of British Muslims, Jan 2007 (and here)

37 percent of young British Muslims want Sharia law in Britain.

36 percent of young British Muslims think apostates should be killed.

13 percent of young British Muslims said they "admired" Al Qaeda.

The stats for older British Muslims are much better. Maybe the young will ditch their fascist views as they grow up. Or maybe, disturbingly, the young show what the British Muslims of the future will look like.




oh wait the media is controlled by the terrorist to.......nevermind

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Where on earth did you come up with that garbage?? No, you don't need a bunch of shiny things, but trying to knock people for wanting a nice place to worship in is pretty rotten itself. I like the fact I can enjoy myself there and be comfortable in my surroundings, but of course your just going to continue to curse my church because they have a nice campus to attend. When is the last time you went to church??

once again. i don't care what you spend your money on or what you want to do with your time. i just don't appreciate your superior attitude.
 


I'm saying it's a power struggle between the two biggest religions on Earth. Christianity is the minority right now. When they weren't the minority, The Crusades happened.

I can't really articulate myself today, but that's as simple as it gets.
 
my point is, once again, that interpretation is the difference. and once again the core teachings have changed over the years. a simple look at what catholics deem are most important (rituals etc) and what protestants deem are the most important (the book) tells you all you need to know. i think it's pure arrogance to imply that one version is more pure and right than the other.

You keep going back to interpretation. Muhammed commands to kill. It's repeated in the Quran. Show me where Jesus commands to kill. This is not a matter of interpretation. It is a matter of actual word. Show me where Muhammed did NOT begin conquering and spreading his faith through violence. I'm not talking about changing over the years either. I am talking about the actual words and actions. I'm not arguing purity with you. I am arguing original words and deeds. You mentioned the Quran and the canon about 100 years after Muhammed. I'll take that 100 years. Take the history, the words, and the deeds of the two faiths in that one hundred years. Compare. Go.
 
Yeah, go tell that to the homeless people they house, shower, and feed every week. I'm sure they would rather settle for the streets. Unbelievable.

relavance? you don't think they could house and shower a lot more homeless people if they didn't spend $5 mil or whatever on a church?
 
Yeah, go tell that to the homeless people they house, shower, and feed every week. I'm sure they would rather settle for the streets. Unbelievable.

and if you offered the same thing at a truck stop they wouldn't be as grateful? The fact is you are claiming 100% of the finances go to help people but fail to see millions went to help the church members so they are able to "enjoy myself there and be comfortable in my surroundings"
 
I'm saying it's a power struggle between the two biggest religions on Earth. Christianity is the minority right now. When they weren't the minority, The Crusades happened.

I can't really articulate myself today, but that's as simple as it gets.

Again, I'll ask. You know what was occurring when the Crusades began right?
 
I thought the world taught greed, not frugality.

If the church is, as you say, all about helping the poor then it would seem to me they would skimp on overhead as much as possible. If you are only at a church because you like the nice building, because you wouldn't be there otherwise, then what are you actually doing there?

I'm there because it offers a variety of things for my family to do and be a part of. I've been a member of a small church, and now a big church. The only differences are what each can do. Our footprint is much larger in the world, because of generous people that attend.
 
You keep going back to interpretation. Muhammed commands to kill. It's repeated in the Quran. Show me where Jesus commands to kill. This is not a matter of interpretation. It is a matter of actual word. Show me where Muhammed did NOT begin conquering and spreading his faith through violence. I'm not talking about changing over the years either. I am talking about the actual words and actions. I'm not arguing purity with you. I am arguing original words and deeds. You mentioned the Quran and the canon about 100 years after Muhammed. I'll take that 100 years. Take the history, the words, and the deeds of the two faiths in that one hundred years. Compare. Go.

were going in circles. mohammaed does not command to kill people. unless you mean during the telling of the story of his life since he was a military leader. nowhere does he say "all of my followers forever must kill infidels." this is no different from david.
 
Worldly people trying to tear down people that believe. It's an everyday struggle. As Jesus said, if people won't receive your message, dust off your feet and leave them. That's what I am doing with this thread. A bunch of worldly people who have no clue what goes on inside a church like mine, and won't attend to find out. That's clueless right there.

God bless you guys who want to keep arguing with this bunch.
 
Worldly people trying to tear down people that believe. It's an everyday struggle. As Jesus said, if people won't receive your message, dust off your feet and leave them. That's what I am doing with this thread. A bunch of worldly people who have no clue what goes on inside a church like mine, and won't attend to find out. That's clueless right there.

God bless you guys who want to keep arguing with this bunch.

me thinks i can have common sense and realize 100% of your tithing isn't going to charity without attending your church. is it impossible for you to believe that someone could attend your church and not want ot be a part of it? surely you have had members that have decided to no longer be part of your church.
 
Worldly people trying to tear down people that believe. It's an everyday struggle. As Jesus said, if people won't receive your message, dust off your feet and leave them. That's what I am doing with this thread. A bunch of worldly people who have no clue what goes on inside a church like mine, and won't attend to find out. That's clueless right there.

God bless you guys who want to keep arguing with this bunch.

Real Christlike of you.

I attended church for 7 years. It's all about money.
 
Worldly people trying to tear down people that believe. It's an everyday struggle. As Jesus said, if people won't receive your message, dust off your feet and leave them. That's what I am doing with this thread. A bunch of worldly people who have no clue what goes on inside a church like mine, and won't attend to find out. That's clueless right there.

God bless you guys who want to keep arguing with this bunch.

maybe because we have attended a church like yours already? Good grief your attitude is ridiculous. "Unless someone goes to my church they just won't understand anything" makes zero sense outside your own head
 
were going in circles. mohammaed does not command to kill people. unless you mean during the telling of the story of his life since he was a military leader. nowhere does he say "all of my followers forever must kill infidels." this is no different from david.

Really? He doesn't? Do we need to go back AGAIN to bring up the references? And we're not talking him telling a story either. And you do realize he was not a 'military leader' until he started spreading his faith right? The references to killing unbelievers are for followers of Islam. Tell me where the 'cut-off' is from this never happening again. This is an ongoing tenet of the followers of Islam.

Show me where David commanded Jews to continuously wage war and kill all non-believers into some future and ongoing struggle. Not sure why you keep bringing David into this after we were discussing Christianity and Islam and not Jewish history.
 
I'm saying it's a power struggle between the two biggest religions on Earth. Christianity is the minority right now. When they weren't the minority, The Crusades happened.

I can't really articulate myself today, but that's as simple as it gets.

Christianity has about double the number of followers that Islam does.
 
Really? He doesn't? Do we need to go back AGAIN to bring up the references? And we're not talking him telling a story either. And you do realize he was not a 'military leader' until he started spreading his faith right? The references to killing unbelievers are for followers of Islam. Tell me where the 'cut-off' is from this never happening again. This is an ongoing tenet of the followers of Islam.

Show me where David commanded Jews to continuously wage war and kill all non-believers into some future and ongoing struggle. Not sure why you keep bringing David into this after we were discussing Christianity and Islam and not Jewish history.

he's not telling a story the koran is telling the story of mohammed. no where does mohammed say that after his death he commands all of his followerst o kill infidels. i defy you to find that text.
 
In those seven years, I went to 5 or 6 different churches. 3 different denominations. Parsonages are a load of crap. Tithe is anything but charitable. And it seemed like there were new renovations being done every week.

If I were still religious, I would just read the various versions of the bible, take my own notes, and stick to the core values. Congregations are kind of silly.
 
maybe because we have attended a church like yours already? Good grief your attitude is ridiculous. "Unless someone goes to my church they just won't understand anything" makes zero sense outside your own head

Oh and dont forget, if you dont go to my church, then yours is corrupt and goes "against what is taught in the Bible"
 

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