I just saw a tight shot of Tebow...

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Lofton4Three said:
Him wearing Bible versus under his eyes reminds me of what Peter and John said in Acts..."For we cannot but speak the things which we have seen and heard."

God has blessed him with ability, and a medium to which he can reach people that many couldn't.

I admire him, and for what he stands for.
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Exactly. God forbid he uses the skills he has and the notority he has as a platform.
 
#52
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rexvol said:
I dont even know where to begin. I would suggest that you dont have a true understanding of what it means to be a Christian. As a Christian we are called to share our faith, it's called the great commission. I think it was great thing for him to do and I applaud it.
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Touche :eek:k::thumbsup:
 
#53
#53
rexvol said:
How do you get that he's proclaiming his own Godliness out of putting a verse in his eyeblack?
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it has not been limited to the eye black. It's an ongoing over the top, in your face look at his amazing Christian walk. I'm saying that's a turn off to those on the outside looking in.
 
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doozer said:
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a story in the bible where Jesus chastises some of his followers for their extreme outward profession of their faith to others?

also, i'm not suddenly going to go back to church (or start attending) because Timtebow thanks god on national TV.

it's one thing to preach your faith to others like he does when he goes on missions and what have you. it's an entire other thing to use football and national TV as your platform to profess your faith. i think that's the issue people have.
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i can see that arguement, but at the same time, that could be his thing, i really dont see him cramming it down peoples throats either.

Which brings us to another point, is that Tebow or is that the media he recieves?
 
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BigPapaVol said:
it has not been limited to the eye black. It's an ongoing over the top, in your face look at his amazing Christian walk. I'm saying that's a turn off to those on the outside looking in.
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being a model christian is a turnoff for people looking into christianity?
 
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volfanbill said:
his work in prisons and outside the country would cause me to disagree.
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Paaaaaleeeeese...The first thing a prisoner picks up is the bible and its the first thing he/she lays down on the way out.

and those outside the country just love the free stuff......:naughty:
 
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BigPapaVol said:
confusing. I'm not talking about how genuine he might be. I'm talking about receptivity to his message.
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as am I. According to the reports, he has changed the lives of many overseas and in the prisons he has went to. I have to think if he's having that kind of effect there, he's accomplishing more positives than negatives with his football attire and what he says to the press.
 
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doozer said:
correct me if i'm wrong, but isn't there a story in the bible where Jesus chastises some of his followers for their extreme outward profession of their faith to others?

also, i'm not suddenly going to go back to church (or start attending) because Timtebow thanks god on national TV.

it's one thing to preach your faith to others like he does when he goes on missions and what have you. it's an entire other thing to use football and national TV as your platform to profess your faith. i think that's the issue people have.
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Jesus was talking about hypocrites, not genuine believers trying to share their faith. And why is it wrong for TT to use football as a way to share his faith? you guys act like he's the only one. I suppose if it was on a social message it would be fine. Sports have been used from the beginning as a platform for social, political, and religious messages. On a side note, Jesus was well aware that His work, His message, and His desciples would offend some people.
 
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#62
As long as Tebow doesn't show up at my door in a hideous short sleeved white button down early on a Saturday morning or stand on the Strip in Vegas and trick me into taking some Bible promoting pamphlet by standing among the guys handing out the half price Spearmint Rhino admission passes, I've got no issue with him.
 
#63
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BigPapaVol said:
it has not been limited to the eye black. It's an ongoing over the top, in your face look at his amazing Christian walk. I'm saying that's a turn off to those on the outside looking in.
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I went to a very conservative christian school, and I can tell you it is impossible to get laid at a place like that without being over the top and knowing your scripture.

I don't know if it really turns people off, but I do agree that nothing fires the evangelical christian community up more than seeing John 3:16 on television in any form or fashion.
 
#64
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BigPapaVol said:
proclaiming loudly from the rooftops your model Christianity is absolutely a turnoff. See Swaggert comma Jimmy for a good example.
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right... Jimmy swaggert...

are you also the guy who also complains about christians always telling people they're going to hell?
 
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Lexvol said:
I went to a very conservative christian school, and I can tell you it is impossible to get laid at a place like that without being over the top and knowing your scripture.

I don't know if it really turns people off, but I do agree that nothing fires the evangelical christian community up more than seeing John 3:16 on television in any form or fashion.
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possibly the funniest bit of irony I've ever read on here. Very well done.
 
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rexvol said:
Jesus was talking about hypocrites, not genuine believers trying to share their faith. And why is it wrong for TT to use football as a way to share his faith? you guys act like he's the only one. I suppose if it was on a social message it would be fine. Sports have been used from the beginning as a platform for social, political, and religious messages. On a side note, Jesus was well aware that His work, His message, and His desciples would offend some people.
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i'm sure Timtebow is a sinner. does that also not make him a hypocrite?

nobody said anything about singling Timtebow out, and i'm sure we're all aware of all the other athletes who use their platform to preach the good that is God, but in case you missed it, his name is in the thread title and he's the one we're talking about.
 
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dooz, the closest to an answer I can think of would be when Jesus tells the disciples that just because someone casting out demons in the name of Christ isn't one of them doesn't mean he should stop. Jesus tells his followers that anyone not against us is for us. Other than that, I don't know of anything off the top of my head. Also, it may not change you, but if it changes some, then his work has been for the better according to his beliefs.
 
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cd12 said:
Paaaaaleeeeese...The first thing a prisoner picks up is the bible and its the first thing he/she lays down on the way out.

and those outside the country just love the free stuff......:naughty:
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CD and BPV, you both make valid points. However, some people do get saved in jail and continue once they leave and people do get saved outside the country and it is genuine. As far as the crusades, they were despicable, period. But how you can compare TT talking about his faith and the crusades is beyond me. Quite a stretch.
 
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ieatcatfood said:
right... Jimmy swaggert...

are you also the guy who also complains about christians always telling people they're going to hell?
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I'm not THE guy complaining about that message, but do believe that it does little to promote Christianity and does a lot to turn people another direction.
 
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#72
armchairvol said:
running the ball in the title game against the sooners. The guy actually has John 3:16 on his eye black--the word 'John' under one eye and "3:16" under another. I know he's very religious but good grief...get a grip, dude. If you're a believer, or religious, great--but in my view it should be a personal thing, a quiet, at home or in the church thing.
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Why? Why do you think Christians shouldn't be free to exercise their right to express themselves or else should not do so voluntarily? A worldview informed by Christian beliefs is every bit as valid and worthy in the public square as any other to include secular humanism.

FTR, the Bible does not teach a "personal, quiet, at home, in the church" religion. There were about 200 towns and cities in Palestine during Christ's earthly ministry. It is very likely that he very publicly taught, preached, and healed in all of them.

A little historical fact... freedom of religion and expression didn't come about because of the non-religious but rather because Christians who had been persecuted demanded it.
But with so many Christian zealots it's not--gotta try to pull everybody else out on that faith limb with me.
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SO? That's what freedom and the "free marketplace of ideas" is supposed to be about. Everyone has a faith system and most try to convince or else impose it on others... like you are doing here.

You seem to think your rights are being threatened by Christians exercising theirs... The fact is that the thought police are the secular humanists and those attempting to push religious thought and ideas out of the public square.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
proclaiming loudly from the rooftops your model Christianity is absolutely a turnoff. See Swaggert comma Jimmy for a good example.
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Giving thanks to his lord and savior in his interviews is no different from tons of other athletes. Tons do and you know it. However, Tebow seems to be interviewed and in front of the cameras more than most. Agree?
 
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doozer said:
i'm sure Timtebow is a sinner. does that also not make him a hypocrite?

nobody said anything about singling Timtebow out, and i'm sure we're all aware of all the other athletes who use their platform to preach the good that is God, but in case you missed it, his name is in the thread title and he's the one we're talking about.
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acting as if he wasn't a sinner would make him a hypocrite. But part of the beauty of Christianity is knowing that we are all sinners and can be forgiven. Our job is to spread the word and be as faithful and sinless as possible.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
I'm not THE guy complaining about that message, but do believe that it does little to promote Christianity and does a lot to turn people another direction.
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so, Tebow's Christian message is entirely positive and not condemning, he goes out and helps people that are in need, but somehow it still bugs you...
 
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