I Like Cuonzo but the blame for this loss (GA)

#52
#52
UT IE 95 said:
You keep making excuses. I'll keep telling the truth. I fine with that.
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It is not making excuses, this team is not very good offensively, and these same guys wouldn't be playing defense under our last coach, so at least they are doing what they can do...Check our last few years..If we were playing like we did in the past, we wouldn't have these heart wrenching losses, we would be blown out every game..This team has heart, just not much ability..
 
#53
#53
1985Vols said:
Yeah sure, and Jamal Lewis wasn't good at pass blockeing, therefore he didn't play until after the FL game his freshman year. That was a great move by Fulmer wasn't it.

Botton line, Stokes is better, by far, than any other post player we have (Maymon is good too) and should be playing 25-30 minutes/game. Hall and Woolridge should come in ONLY when he needs a breather.
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Well, considering he is not yet in game shape, he would need a breather quite often. He is not ready for 25-30 minutes a game. Believe it or not, Martin knows more than you do.
 
#55
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calban said:
And you really think that's what cost us this game.
We lost this game in the first half giving up easy baskets on transition.
Our guards were loafing down the floor. We gave up at least 10 points there.
And we don't have a guard that can handle the ball without turning it over or make a pass to the right color shirt.
Your lazy guards cost us this game.
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Sure I do. A coach's responsibility is to put the BEST players on the floor that give him a chance to win. If you can honestly tell me Stokes isn't one of the best 5 players on the team, then I'll agree with you. Otherwise, he should've been playing in OT.
 
#56
#56
Ill put the loss on coach bc maymon and stokes should have touched the ball on the post every play on offense the last 10 minutes of reg and ot.it only happened 3 or 4 times that i remember and i think we scored on all those.so how hard is it to tell the team to do that?sure they would probaly turned the ball over a couple times but i bet we win the game.and the white guy from uga i cant remember his name isnt faster than maymon.maymon had 4 fouls and didnt wanna get his 5th on that play
 
#57
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1985Vols said:
Yeah sure, and Jamal Lewis wasn't good at pass blockeing, therefore he didn't play until after the FL game his freshman year. That was a great move by Fulmer wasn't it.

Botton line, Stokes is better, by far, than any other post player we have (Maymon is good too) and should be playing 25-30 minutes/game. Hall and Woolridge should come in ONLY when he needs a breather.
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On offense he is 2nd behind Maymon. He is battling Yemi for 3rd best post man on D.

A rested Hall, on D, is better than a gassed Stokes.


Stokes played 26 minutes, FWIW.
 
#59
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UTFanForLife said:
Well, considering he is not yet in game shape, he would need a breather quite often. He is not ready for 25-30 minutes a game. Believe it or not, Martin knows more than you do.
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With TV timeouts and 10 team timeouts (combined), there is plenty of time for rest. He played 26 minutes tonight. He just needed to play 5 more (OT) and we win the game. Just my opinion....
 
#60
#60
1985Vols said:
Sure I do. A coach's responsibility is to put the BEST players on the floor that give him a chance to win. If you can honestly tell me Stokes isn't one of the best 5 players on the team, then I'll agree with you. Otherwise, he should've been playing in OT.
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Your best players are not always your most talented players. Everyone here will agree that Stokes is the most talented player we have on the team. But, right now he is not the best choice to have out there in close situations. He still needs to learn the defense and offense, he still needs to get into game shape.
 
#62
#62
UTFanForLife said:
Your best players are not always your most talented players. Everyone here will agree that Stokes is the most talented player we have on the team. But, right now he is not the best choice to have out there in close situations. He still needs to learn the defense and offense, he still needs to get into game shape.
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+1
 
#63
#63
fall2hb86 said:
It is not making excuses, this team is not very good offensively, and these same guys wouldn't be playing defense under our last coach, so at least they are doing what they can do...Check our last few years..If we were playing like we did in the past, we wouldn't have these heart wrenching losses, we would be blown out every game..This team has heart, just not much ability..
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You know why this team is not very good offensively? We recruited guys that didn't score in high school? We have offensive weapons. We just don't use them. We come out of timeouts lost on offense. And appear to be content with our point guard taking half court three pointers.
 
#64
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UTFanForLife said:
Stokes - 2 games into college career

Hall - Junior with atleast 30 college career games

I know who I would have in there at crunch time. Kenny knows the defense we are running, he played good D on his man. Jarnell is still new and still learning the defense.
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Stokes-showed more skill, better feel and better hands in his first 5 minutes of his college career than Hall will show in his entire career.

You have a losing record by playing Hall down the stretch this year, and have a hoss that had a good 2nd half. Regarding D, Hall didn't box on a ft when we were still in the game, didn't chase down a ball in the corner, and didn't get to the baseline to cut off the driver any quicker than Stokes.

Tonight, it should have been a no brainer to start Stokes in OT.
 
#65
#65
1985Vols said:
Stokes 11 pts. and 8 Reb. ; Kenny Hall 4 points and 3 Reb.

Hmmmm.... I wonder who should get more PT?? Why did Kenny Hall play 4 1/2 mnutes of OT and Stokes only played 1/2 minute?
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Defense is part of the game, also. That would be part of my answer. The other part would be the conditioning of Stokes. He was tired and moving up and down the court slowly.
 
#66
#66
1985Vols said:
With TV timeouts and 10 team timeouts (combined), there is plenty of time for rest. He played 26 minutes tonight. He just needed to play 5 more (OT) and we win the game. Just my opinion....
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Believe me, I would have loved to see Stokes out there. But he was gassed and a gassed player is not who you want out there in these situations. Fatigue causes mental lapses and out of control play. Couple that with the fact that he still is learning, would have just been a bad situation to still him in there with all the pressure.

Last thing we need is for Stokes to make a mistake and be torn down by the fanbase and media. It will happen eventually, I would prefer it not be his second game.
 
#67
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UT IE 95 said:
You know why this team is not very good offensively? We recruited guys that didn't score in high school? We have offensive weapons. We just don't use them. We come out of timeouts lost on offense. And appear to be content with our point guard taking half court three pointers.
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Oh, yes. Please enlighten us about the offensive prowess of Kenny Hall, Trae Golden, Jordan McRae, Skylar McBee and Jeronne Maymon last year.
 
#69
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UTFanForLife said:
Your best players are not always your most talented players. Everyone here will agree that Stokes is the most talented player we have on the team. But, right now he is not the best choice to have out there in close situations. He still needs to learn the defense and offense, he still needs to get into game shape.
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Respectfully disagree tonight. Hall was awful and Stokes was on in the 2nd half. We have a losing record, so it's not like it's a big risk. Hall being in the game down the stretch, with all of his experience, has led to losses and errors.
 
#70
#70
1985Vols said:
Yeah sure, and Jamal Lewis wasn't good at pass blockeing, therefore he didn't play until after the FL game his freshman year. That was a great move by Fulmer wasn't it.

Botton line, Stokes is better, by far, than any other post player we have (Maymon is good too) and should be playing 25-30 minutes/game. Hall and Woolridge should come in ONLY when he needs a breather.
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I'm amazed at how many people here do not recognize the importance of defense.
 
#71
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pl3 said:
Respectfully disagree tonight. Hall was awful and Stokes was on in the 2nd half. We have a losing record, so it's not like it's a big risk. Hall being in the game down the stretch, with all of his experience, has led to losses and errors.
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I think after tonight, with a few more practices, Jarnell has to play down the stretch late.

I would have prefer Jarnell down the stretch. But I can see it go either way.
 
#73
#73
pl3 said:
Respectfully disagree tonight. Hall was awful and Stokes was on in the 2nd half. We have a losing record, so it's not like it's a big risk. Hall being in the game down the stretch, with all of his experience, has led to losses and errors.
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I am not disagreeing the fact that Stokes could/should have been out there. I am saying why I feel Martin made that decision.
 
#74
#74
zjcvols said:
I think after tonight, with a few more practices, Jarnell has to play down the stretch late.

I would have prefer Jarnell down the stretch. But I can see it go either way.
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I think everyone would prefer Stokes playing in OT. But in reality, Stokes was gassed after regulation and his defense isn't where it should be when he isn't gassed.
 
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#75
#75
pl3 said:
Stokes-showed more skill, better feel and better hands in his first 5 minutes of his college career than Hall will show in his entire career.

You have a losing record by playing Hall down the stretch this year, and have a hoss that had a good 2nd half. Regarding D, Hall didn't box on a ft when we were still in the game, didn't chase down a ball in the corner, and didn't get to the baseline to cut off the driver any quicker than Stokes.

Tonight, it should have been a no brainer to start Stokes in OT.
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I'll take Coach Martin's more qualified decision.
 
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