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#51
NorthDallas40 said:
They should have protected their borders and kept those damn Europeans out? 🤷‍♂️
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Bingo
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#53
#53
Hunerwadel said:
Illegal immigration is a crime and the people who hire them are aiding and abetting. You don't have to hit them with a hammer the first time but repeat offenders need serious attention. I'm totally against a wall but we need to be able to control who and when people cross our borders.
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so basically do what every other country on the globe currently does. Agreed
 
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MontyPython said:
I feel bad for immigrants and those who taunt and oppose their presence - illegal or not. Most of them come from absolute squalor, and are willing to do the jobs most of us are not (wanna pick lettuce all day?). As long as they pay their taxes and follow our laws, I support them.

As for patriotism, supporting immigrants (read: people) is not anti-American or unpatriotic. We are a country created by immigrants. Personally, I can understand why patriotism is at an all-time low... we have a jerk President who feeds off creating divisiveness between us all. Can't wait for him to get the boot.

Patriotism Sinks to All Time Low
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LOL........Your DTS is showing again >>> https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D_HeVUdWsAAZiHc.jpg
 
#57
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volfanjustin said:
It's not working because current laws aren't being enforced
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We have a POTUS trying his damndest to have them enforced and it's still a "crisis". This should be a wake up call that they will never be enforced to satisfaction. We need smarter government, not heavy-handed government. Enforcement will decline when we have a more lenient POTUS and then what? All the Trump nut-huggers (that are smart enough) will be regretting the fact that they didn't push for reasonable solutions.
 
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McDad said:
I wouldn't do it. The risk to you and your family isn't worth the "support" of your cause. However, if you do go, consider being a different kind of protestor. It will be hot. Take a cooler full of bottled waters to hand out to the officers/emergency responders on patrol of the scene. Give them to other protestors / counter protestors. Take ziplocs so you can put ice in them in case someone gets over heated or gets a boo boo. Who knows...if the image of your brand of compassionate protestation makes it into the media, you may be a catalyst for a different kind of protest in the future. Good luck. Stay safe.
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Damn that.
Perfect opportunity for @Carl Pickens and I to use the water cannon.
 
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n_huffhines said:
I love my country that was built on open borders...
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What about personal responsibility, paying your way, paying your fair share of taxes, you know, all the stuff that SOME of the citizens of this country do daily. Or are you just for open borders and do your own thing?

This problem goes away as soon as 100% of the wage earners in this country pay income tax. Until then, you open borders people are fools.
 
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n_huffhines said:
We have a POTUS trying his damndest to have them enforced and it's still a "crisis". This should be a wake up call that they will never be enforced to satisfaction. We need smarter government, not heavy-handed government. Enforcement will decline when we have a more lenient POTUS and then what? All the Trump nut-huggers (that are smart enough) will be regretting the fact that they didn't push for reasonable solutions.
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How does your version of an open border work? Just give green cards to anyone who walks up and asks for one? What level of check/control of the border is ok? What do you do with the ones who break what little you do have? Seems to me all you are doing is shifting down where the line is drawn just to not have to deal with it. It's a similar approach to how our politicians are treating the debt/deficit.
 
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LouderVol said:
How does your version of an open border work? Just give green cards to anyone who walks up and asks for one? What level of check/control of the border is ok? What do you do with the ones who break what little you do have? Seems to me all you are doing is shifting down where the line is drawn just to not have to deal with it. It's a similar approach to how our politicians are treating the debt/deficit.
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That's easy, the modern left wants wide open borders, no checks no laws and everyone just comes and goes freely.
 
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Hunerwadel said:
Illegal immigration is a crime and the people who hire them are aiding and abetting. You don't have to hit them with a hammer the first time but repeat offenders need serious attention. I'm totally against a wall but we need to be able to control who and when people cross our borders.
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Then why are you totally against a wall?
 
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ajvol01 said:
Then why are you totally against a wall?
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Probably because the ROI on a wall is horrible.

A fraction of that cost could be used to cut the head off the snake, create an e-verify system that works and severely punish employers who hire unverified workers. Disincentive them from coming in the first place, then the true asylum seekers will get speedy hearings. Not that the caravan of strollers and MS13 raperz was ever a real thing, but a wall ain't keeping them out anyway.
 
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LouderVol said:
How does your version of an open border work? Just give green cards to anyone who walks up and asks for one? What level of check/control of the border is ok? What do you do with the ones who break what little you do have? Seems to me all you are doing is shifting down where the line is drawn just to not have to deal with it. It's a similar approach to how our politicians are treating the debt/deficit.
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A green card is permanent living/working status, so no, that's not how it would work. I think we can afford much stricter enforcement for breaking the law when the law is easy to comply with. Right now the law is totally unjust, and too demanding on resources, therefore inevitably enforcement breaks down. We can focus our resources on dangerous criminals if we stop worrying about all the people that are a net positive to our country/economy.

I don't get your use of the debt comparison. If we walk back spending, simplify, and streamline government we reduce the debt problem. If we walk back counterproductive, unenforceable immigration laws, simplify and streamline government, we reduce the problem.
 
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Septic said:
Probably because the ROI on a wall is horrible.

A fraction of that cost could be used to cut the head off the snake, create an e-verify system that works and severely punish employers who hire unverified workers.
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E-verify stops the coyotes, cartels, human /child traffickers?

Good to know 🤪
 
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ajvol01 said:
E-verify stops the coyotes, cartels, human /child traffickers?

Good to know 🤪
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I've got a secret for you, a wall ain't either.

One of these things is more fiscally conservative.
 
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Septic said:
I've got a secret for you, a wall ain't either.

One of these things is more fiscally conservative.
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If you’re arguing a wall won’t be a powerful tool for CBP to more easily secure our southern border then we have nothing else to discuss.

The money spent on the wall reduces the flow of illegal immigrants that are coming here for all the free stuff (EBT, health care, etc). There’s a much better ROI on the wall than the alternative.
 
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ajvol01 said:
If you’re arguing a wall won’t be a powerful tool for CBP to more easily secure our southern border then we have nothing else to discuss.

The money spent on the wall reduces the flow of illegal immigrants that are coming here for all the free stuff (EBT, health care, etc). There’s a much better ROI on the wall than the alternative.
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Link?

Do you mean "alternatives"? What is the alternative you speak of?

A wall is costly and will likely not prove to be a good ROI. I can guarantee you that we can save money and resources and improve on the problem with smarter government, so how in the hell could spending $ on a wall be a better ROI than a solution that doesn't cost us anything?
 
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1972 Grad said:
Maybe a wall can deter some of them, and then herd the rest into a smaller area to have to patrol.
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The fatal flaw in the wall is that there are still gaps, both physically and in human form. The border patrol routinely looks the other way when folks want to get through, as long as a human is involved - people and things will still get through.

Our country is broke, completely. If you want to be a competent steward of the US tax payers money, building a wall to keep out 90% is still far more expensive a proposition than spending a fraction to make 75% not want to come in the first place. Doing the most good, most efficiently.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
 
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Septic said:
The fatal flaw in the wall is that there are still gaps, both physically and in human form. The border patrol routinely looks the other way when folks want to get through, as long as a human is involved - people and things will still get through.

Our country is broke, completely. If you want to be a competent steward of the US tax payers money, building a wall to keep out 90% is still far more expensive a proposition than spending a fraction to make 75% not want to come in the first place. Doing the most good, most efficiently.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
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If you can keep some of them out of the country, it will also save us money. Fiscal RESPONSIBILITY.
 
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