I May need a lawyer Friday night

#76
#76
Septic said:
No. Nothing good will come from protest/counter-protesting.

Do yourself a favor and take your family to dinner, enjoy their company and focus on the things you can control.
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Shame on the people that gave this a "like".

I suppose their solution would be to call/write their congressman or to vote harder...
 
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n_huffhines said:
I love my country that was built on open borders...
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It is now a country with open borders and entitlement programs. A bit different than how it all started out. Now these people can vote in more entitlements for themselves and slant elections in their favor.

Do away with most of these entitlements and we can have a serious discussion, however.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Shame on the people that gave this a "like".

I suppose their solution would be to call/write their congressman or to vote harder...
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Or post on an anonymous forum on the internet?

Your counter-protest is changing minds. Right?
 
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Septic said:
The fatal flaw in the wall is that there are still gaps, both physically and in human form. The border patrol routinely looks the other way when folks want to get through, as long as a human is involved - people and things will still get through.

Our country is broke, completely. If you want to be a competent steward of the US tax payers money, building a wall to keep out 90% is still far more expensive a proposition than spending a fraction to make 75% not want to come in the first place. Doing the most good, most efficiently.

FISCAL RESPONSIBILITY.
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It isn’t just about fiscal responsibility. Is it being fiscally responsible to put a security system in your home if nobody has ever tried to break in? Why would you do it anyway?
 
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C-south said:
It isn’t just about fiscal responsibility. Is it being fiscally responsible to put a security system in your home if nobody has ever tried to break in? Why would you do it anyway?
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That's being physically responsible.
 
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Hoosier_Vol said:
The local sheriff's department here in Clay County, Indiana is the only ICE Dentition Center in Indiana....This is a small rural community and most people don't even know it's part of the Sheriff's Dept jail. Friday night there is suppose to be a large protest demonstration at the SD to protest ICE, law enforcement, Trump and support open borders. Me, my oldest son and several others I know are going to show support for Trump, ICE and closed borders across the street from the protest. I have several friends on the CCSD and they said they are expecting 50-100 (large for this rural area) at the protest but has heard there maybe bigger national groups showing up. Gotta stand and support for what you believe in right?
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Protests are pointless on both sides. Wasting your time in my opinion. You will convince no one on the other side to see your point of view.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
It is now a country with open borders and entitlement programs. A bit different than how it all started out. Now these people can vote in more entitlements for themselves and slant elections in their favor.

Do away with most of these entitlements and we can have a serious discussion, however.
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In what way do we have open borders? The post right after the one you quoted specifically says that they don't get to vote.

We will never do away with entitlements. You might as well say "I'll support human rights when the sun explodes"

Open borders can be a solution to funding entitlements.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Link?

Do you mean "alternatives"? What is the alternative you speak of?

A wall is costly and will likely not prove to be a good ROI. I can guarantee you that we can save money and resources and improve on the problem with smarter government, so how in the hell could spending $ on a wall be a better ROI than a solution that doesn't cost us anything?
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How are you calculating the costs of not doing anything?

I can guarantee you it’s much more expensive than you are willing to admit.

What is the true cost of illegal immigration and illegal trade across our southern border?

What’s the cost of providing illegal aliens benefits? Law enforcement cost? Public education cost?

How do you put a dollar value on American lives lost due to illegal immigration?

What percentage of the annual federal budget is the $25-35 billion estimated initial one-time cost for a wall? 2018 and 2019 National Defense budgets were both $700+ billion FWIW.

Why is border security being portrayed as something so “expensive” by liberals and the media compared to all other forms of government spending?
 
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n_huffhines said:
Hey kids, we're going to go cheer for the nanny state so they can save us from all this terrible liberty that people are trying to illegally take back.
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Hey kids, we are going to go protest the people that cheer for the nanny state so they can save us from all this terrible liberty that people are trying to illegally take back.

See? Dumbassery both ways.
 
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ajvol01 said:
How are you calculating the costs of not doing anything?

I can guarantee you it’s much more expensive than you are willing to admit.

What is the true cost of illegal immigration and illegal trade across our southern border?

What’s the cost of providing illegal aliens benefits? Law enforcement cost? Public education cost?

How do you put a dollar value on American lives lost due to illegal immigration?

What percentage of the annual federal budget is the $25-35 billion estimated initial one-time cost for a wall? 2018 and 2019 National Defense budgets were both $700+ billion FWIW.

Why is border security being portrayed as something so “expensive” by liberals and the media compared to all other forms of government spending?
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Who said "don't do anything"? Immigration is broken. We should do something, but that doesn't mean you have to throw money at the problem.

News flash, a wall will not eliminate and might not even reduce the costs you just mentioned. You're guaranteeinig we add a cost, but you're not guaranteed to reduce costs.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Who said "don't do anything"? Immigration is broken. We should do something, but that doesn't mean you have to throw money at the problem.

News flash, a wall will not eliminate and might not even reduce the costs you just mentioned. You're guaranteeinig we add a cost, but you're not guaranteed to reduce costs.
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News flash. Walls work.

CBP wants the wall. Good enough for me.
 
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ajvol01 said:
News flash. Walls work.

CBP wants the wall. Good enough for me.
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Curious, is the Border Patrol the only Federal Agency you believe in?

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ajvol01 said:
Then why are you totally against a wall?
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It is not proven that it will work. I don't think the environmental impact has been studied carefully. It's been established that most of the drugs are not entering the country via border jumpers. Mexico is possibly ready to lend a hand. Mexico isn't going to pay as we were promised so the burden is on the taxpayers. When people think of America they think of Stars and Stripes, the Statue of Liberty, and the Constitution. I don't like the image of a barrier between nations to come to mind.
 
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n_huffhines said:
A green card is permanent living/working status, so no, that's not how it would work. I think we can afford much stricter enforcement for breaking the law when the law is easy to comply with. Right now the law is totally unjust, and too demanding on resources, therefore inevitably enforcement breaks down. We can focus our resources on dangerous criminals if we stop worrying about all the people that are a net positive to our country/economy.

I don't get your use of the debt comparison. If we walk back spending, simplify, and streamline government we reduce the debt problem. If we walk back counterproductive, unenforceable immigration laws, simplify and streamline government, we reduce the problem.
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The comparison is that you arent dealing with the issue. The law in this case is incredibly easy to comply with. Some literally have to travel thousands of miles to break the law. That's not easy. What's difficult for employers to actual make sure they are legal? For those that overstay you can renew before that's an issue. If you arent approved for entry, dont enter. It's literally that simple and easy. You make it sound like they have to offer up one of their children for sacrifice at the border detainment camps after going thru a Maze Runner situation.


So it's a Visa instead of a green card, you got me. They are going to have to have some form of valid US ID to do much of anything. This is already what they have to do, and many/some already dont. Why would making it easier and removing punishments for it incentize them to do it? They can just continue to ignore it and when they get caught under your proposal literally nothing happens. So what's the point of even requiring it? Sounds like that retailer who tried to operate off of donations out west. Maybe subway or Panera?
 
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n_huffhines said:
In what way do we have open borders? The post right after the one you quoted specifically says that they don't get to vote.

We will never do away with entitlements. You might as well say "I'll support human rights when the sun explodes"

Open borders can be a solution to funding entitlements.
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I read your screenshot post on open borders. I think the idea falls apart in one pivotal area.
 
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