I think I've found a reason to support Romney/Ryan in November

[Gramps]

Best to be very involved in a good community, especially a church. It discourages this behavior and provides help if the behavior does occur. But hey, how would that be relying on the gubment.

Weak sauce there.

There are men or I would all any man that hits a woman a punk that do live in good communities and do go to church.

How does the community or the church help while the punk is smacking the woman around in their home?

Churches teach that divorce is wrong.. Should the woman stay in that relationship and take her beatings?

 

[allvol123]

Weak sauce there.

There are men or I would all any man that hits a woman a punk that do live in good communities and do go to church.

How does the community or the church help while the punk is smacking the woman around in their home?

Churches teach that divorce is wrong.. Should the woman stay in that relationship and take her beatings?

Weak? Lol. Because you say so?

Hard to comprehend your second sentence. I think it means some people talk it but don't walk it? No siht. Nonetheless, it is a better situation that what all too many are now choosing.

How do they help? It gives her a place to go. People to help her.

Are you dumb? Never been to a church that preaches stay with your beating husband. If you have, find a new church.

 

[YorkVol]

So these men didn't use condoms regardless of what the woman told them? You don't have to answer that, because I know that might be a personal question (not saying you are involved personally here), but I don't think it's an unfair one. Condoms, gentleman, condoms. Even if a woman tells you she's on the pill....condoms.

No. There is a certain attitude against condom use and for getting someone pregnant. I was surprised when I learned this given what we all know about HIV. There is also a type of death wish where young men don't expect to live much beyond their 20s. Where did I get this info you might ask. In addition to living in a small city with a fairly large poor population, working in the schools etc, it was the 16 year old that we took in last year who schooled us on a lot of these attitudes. He opened my eyes, then I started asking the moms of my kids friends questions about what was happening. There are always claims of abuse and I'm sure that happens a lot, but there is also this desire to give someone an extra few hundred a month in assistance by getting her pregnant.

It is a sad situation we've constructed and when I say we I mean all of us are responsible.

 

[Gramps]

Weak? Lol. Because you say so?

Hard to comprehend your second sentence. I think it means some people talk it but don't walk it? No siht. Nonetheless, it is a better situation that what all too many are now choosing.

How do they help? It gives her a place to go. People to help her.

Are you dumb? Never been to a church that preaches stay with your beating husband. If you have, find a new church.

Sorry about the 2nd sentence. Posting from phone.

here is what I was saying:

"There are men, or I call any man that hits a woman a punk, that do live in good communities and do go to church."

Its obvious by your post that you don't know a woman that has been abused by her husband.

Just pray that your sister or daughter does not get involved in an abusive relationship.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Women wouldn't get pregnant if they wouldn't open their legs. Outside of rape, men have to be allowed to enter a woman. Women have the responsibility to make better choices.

So are you saying that men have no responsibility and apparently no will as to whether or not they drop trou if a woman opens her legs? Seems to me that both have an equal choice to make.

 

[allvol123]

Sorry about the 2nd sentence. Posting from phone.

here is what I was saying:

"There are men, or I call any man that hits a woman a punk, that do live in good communities and do go to church."

Its obvious by your post that you don't know a woman that has been abused by her husband.

Just pray that your sister or daughter does not get involved in an abusive relationship.

Of course there are, who would argue differently?

The point is, being really involved in your community, church, etc. gives you outlets that are much more helpful than some government program.

It is obvious you make wild assumptions.

If they do, I would hope they have the community I speak of so they can get assistance.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

So are you saying that men have no responsibility and apparently know will as to whether or not they drop trou if a woman opens her legs? Seems to me that both have an equal choice to make.

Gee... i dont think i've ever said or insinuated that men dont have to be held accountable.

My point is that right now, ALL blame and responsibilty goes to the man involved (he's the one made out to be a bad guy), yet the sympathy and lack of accountability goes to the women.

If anything, I'm asking for true equality with respect to accountability.

 

[Gramps]

Of course there are, who would argue differently?

The point is, being really involved in your community, church, etc. gives you outlets that are much more helpful than some government program.

It is obvious you make wild assumptions.

If they do, I would hope they have the community I speak of so they can get assistance.

Your points look good on paper and that is how things should work, however, that is not the case in the real world.

A few years ago I would have agreed with you 100%.

 

[KoachKrab127]

Women wouldn't get pregnant if they wouldn't open their legs. Outside of rape, men have to be allowed to enter a woman. Women have the responsibility to make better choices.

Are you putting 100% of the blame on a woman if she gets pregnant outside of rape?

I'd say it's 50/50.

Pretty sexist to say it's a woman's and only a woman's fault if she gets pregnant.

 

[KoachKrab127]

It's that change thing....women have a right to screw anyone anytime anywhere anyhow just like men do. But the man is the bad guy when the uh oh happens and the woman is the victim. I am sorry, but that is harsh, and realistic. Unfortunately our welfare system is set up for them to literally turn out litters of kids to boost that check.

There's no way you can possibly believe that teen pregnancy or early adulthood pregnancy out of wedlock is just as difficult on the man as it is the woman.

It is much more difficult on the woman. If you look at the situation in depth, you'd understand. The woman has to carry the baby for 9 months. The woman cannot run away, but the man can. And it happens quite often.

If a woman gives birth to a child and the man runs away...yeah! The dude is a bad guy! That is when society calls the father a bad guy...when he runs away.

The problem is, the woman gets all the blame to her face, the man doesn't. There's no evidence (short of a DNA test) that a man got a woman pregnant.

Guys don't have to carry babies in their stomachs. Guys don't have to make sure they eat healthy, avoid caffeine, avoid drinking, smoking, etc. Guys don't have to go to the doctor every month to prevent problems. Guys aren't judged when people look at their stomachs.

Guys have it easy. They have all the fun and the girl does all the work.

This is coming from a guy who got a girl pregnant. I was 22, she was 21. People were constantly giving her the evil eye anytime she went somewhere in public just because she looked young. She was lucky to have me, a guy who made a commitment for her and the baby. We are now successful, married, and have a beautiful 5 year old. Not all girls/women get that.

To blame the woman and say the guy is the victim is just complete ignorance.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

Gee... i dont think i've ever said or insinuated that men dont have to be held accountable.

Yeah... my bad. I clearly misinterpreted your post below. You really laid in to us men about making better choices.

Women wouldn't get pregnant if they wouldn't open their legs. Outside of rape, men have to be allowed to enter a woman. Women have the responsibility to make better choices.

 

[KoachKrab127]

Best to be very involved in a good community, especially a church. It discourages this behavior and provides help if the behavior does occur. But hey, how would that be relying on the gubment.

I disagree. I am not a religious person for a couple of reasons.

The main reason is that according to Christians, all you have to do is pray for forgiveness and God will give it to you. You are not held accountable for your actions. If you sin, but then pray for forgiveness, you go to Heaven anyway. God doesn't think you should be punished as long as you pray.

Look at Newt Gingrich. He has committed infidelity twice, one of those times while his first wife was on her death bed. That's a BAD man right there. However, since he has claimed that "God has forgiven him," everyone thinks it's fine. But at the same time, he would never consider letting gay people to get married because the "sanctity of marriage" is so important.

Who is Newt Gingrich to talk about the "sanctity of marriage" when he's been divorced twice? Same goes for Rush Limbaugh...a junky scumbag, glutten who's been married 4 times. But since he prayed for forgiveness, it's okay.

The idea behind Christianity is that you can do whatever you want as long as you pray for forgiveness. I expect more out of people. And I also expect them to be understanding when others are put in similar situations, yet I see more hypocrisy than goodwill in religion.

 

[Orangeslice13]

I disagree. I am not a religious person for a couple of reasons.

The main reason is that according to Christians, all you have to do is pray for forgiveness and God will give it to you. You are not held accountable for your actions. If you sin, but then pray for forgiveness, you go to Heaven anyway. God doesn't think you should be punished as long as you pray.

Look at Newt Gingrich. He has committed infidelity twice, one of those times while his first wife was on her death bed. That's a BAD man right there. However, since he has claimed that "God has forgiven him," everyone thinks it's fine. But at the same time, he would never consider letting gay people to get married because the "sanctity of marriage" is so important.

Who is Newt Gingrich to talk about the "sanctity of marriage" when he's been divorced twice? Same goes for Rush Limbaugh...a junky scumbag, glutten who's been married 4 times. But since he prayed for forgiveness, it's okay.

The idea behind Christianity is that you can do whatever you want as long as you pray for forgiveness. I expect more out of people. And I also expect them to be understanding when others are put in similar situations, yet I see more hypocrisy than goodwill in religion.

There is more to it than just pray. You can't just say you're a sinner who needs forgiveness, you have to believe it. Only God and each person knows for sure.

 

[IBlvNTmWrk]

I disagree. I am not a religious person for a couple of reasons.

The main reason is that according to Christians, all you have to do is pray for forgiveness and God will give it to you. You are not held accountable for your actions. If you sin, but then pray for forgiveness, you go to Heaven anyway. God doesn't think you should be punished as long as you pray.

Look at Newt Gingrich. He has committed infidelity twice, one of those times while his first wife was on her death bed. That's a BAD man right there. However, since he has claimed that "God has forgiven him," everyone thinks it's fine. But at the same time, he would never consider letting gay people to get married because the "sanctity of marriage" is so important.

Who is Newt Gingrich to talk about the "sanctity of marriage" when he's been divorced twice? Same goes for Rush Limbaugh...a junky scumbag, glutten who's been married 4 times. But since he prayed for forgiveness, it's okay.

The idea behind Christianity is that you can do whatever you want as long as you pray for forgiveness. I expect more out of people. And I also expect them to be understanding when others are put in similar situations, yet I see more hypocrisy than goodwill in religion.

Two points...

1.) believers and non-believers are accountable for their actions (it may not be immediate, but it will happen)

2.) using Newt and Rush as your role models for Christianity is like using Rosie O'Donnell and Chastity "Chaz" Bono as your role models for women

 

[KoachKrab127]

There is more to it than just pray. You can't just say you're a sinner who needs forgiveness, you have to believe it. Only God and each person knows for sure.

Yet, the person is still not held accountable for his actions. All he has to do is realize that what he did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.

Imagine in a court room, a man says he's sorry for killing a person, and he really is, and the jury believes him. Do they let him go? Of course not. He still has to pay his debt to society. I agree with the US Justice System much more than God's forgiveness system. I'm not trying to offfend people, it's just what I believe.

 

[KoachKrab127]

Two points...

1.) believers and non-believers are accountable for their actions (it may not be immediate, but it will happen)

2.) using Newt and Rush as your role models for Christianity is like using Rosie O'Donnell and Chastity "Chaz" Bono as your role models for women

Yet those 2 men are held in such high esteems according to conservatives across the country. I know they are scum, you probably do too, but Newt Gingrich almost became the presidential candidate. And people all across the country view Rush Limbaugh as the voice of conservatives. That's scary.

And please explain to me how believers are held accountable for their bad actions even if they realize what they did was wrong and pray for forgiveness...please.

And also, tell me why a very good person who has never done anything wrong deserves to be tortured for all eternity just because he didn't believe there was enough evidence to believe there is a God.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yet, the person is still not held accountable for his actions. All he has to do is realize that what he did was wrong and ask for forgiveness.

Imagine in a court room, a man says he's sorry for killing a person, and he really is, and the jury believes him. Do they let him go? Of course not. He still has to pay his debt to society. I agree with the US Justice System much more than God's forgiveness system. I'm not trying to offfend people, it's just what I believe.

I'm ok with people who believe differently than me.
I'm also ok with A God who treats all sin equally and is more forgiving than the Great State of Tennessee

 

[KoachKrab127]

I'm ok with people who believe differently than me.
I'm also ok with A God who treats all sin equally and is more forgiving than the Great State of Tennessee

All sins are equal? So taking the Lord's name in vain is the same as torturing a toddler?

I'm not ashamed to say that I have a big problem with that. Anyone who doesn't have a problem with that is at least slightly crazy.

 

[Orangeslice13]

Yet those 2 men are held in such high esteems according to conservatives across the country. I know they are scum, you probably do too, but Newt Gingrich almost became the presidential candidate. And people all across the country view Rush Limbaugh as the voice of conservatives. That's scary.

And please explain to me how believers are held accountable for their bad actions even if they realize what they did was wrong and pray for forgiveness...please.
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And also, tell me why a very good person who has never done anything wrong deserves to be tortured for all eternity just because he didn't believe there was enough evidence to believe there is a God.

How do you define good?


Be back tomorrow

 

[KoachKrab127]

How do you define good?


Be back tomorrow

A person who does not cause any harm to others, who lends a helping hand when family and friends need it without expecting anything in return.

A person who helps out those less fortunate than him/herself when he/she can afford to do so.

A person who doesn't cheat on their taxes or steal from companies or individuals.

A person who contributes to society by performing a task he/she is good at in order to make the world a better place (this comes in all forms - doctors, teachers, musicians, authors, businesses, community watch members, etc. etc. etc.).

That's pretty much it. If you don't harm others and you do good things for humanity, you are a good person. It shouldn't matter if you don't pray to a God.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Yeah... my bad. I clearly misinterpreted your post below. You really laid in to us men about making better choices.

It takes 2 people to make a baby.

However, the overwhelming majority of the time, it is only one party (the father) that is held accountable. If a woman can't afford to take care of the child, she can apply for assistance. If a man can't afford to take care of that same child, he can go to jail and/or be called a deadbeat.

Am I clear now?

 

[milohimself]

Why can't women drive?

There's no road between the kitchen and the bedroom









You lot disappoint me.

 

[tim]

I have first hand knowledge of a couple with 14 years together and 2 children who refuse to marry because she would lose her benefits. He has a well paying job and she does not have to work but they have so little pride they leech off of public assistance any way they possibly can. When marriage is brought up its like "no no we cant afford to get married". Makes my blood boil.

 

[utvolpj]

I have first hand knowledge of a couple with 14 years together and 2 children who refuse to marry because she would lose her benefits. He has a well paying job and she does not have to work but they have so little pride they leech off of public assistance any way they possibly can. When marriage is brought up its like "no no we cant afford to get married". Makes my blood boil.

my brother's baby mama is like this too. Very hard for me to hold my tongue when she's around but thankfully it's not very often.

 

[Orangeslice13]

A person who does not cause any harm to others, who lends a helping hand when family and friends need it without expecting anything in return.

A person who helps out those less fortunate than him/herself when he/she can afford to do so.

A person who doesn't cheat on their taxes or steal from companies or individuals.

A person who contributes to society by performing a task he/she is good at in order to make the world a better place (this comes in all forms - doctors, teachers, musicians, authors, businesses, community watch members, etc. etc. etc.).

That's pretty much it. If you don't harm others and you do good things for humanity, you are a good person. It shouldn't matter if you don't pray to a God.

If you spend your life trying to live to this standard do you think you can do it?