I Think We Get Left OUT of Playoffs- Regardless

[JMSqb11]

I didn't say anything about that in my post.

I don't worry about LSU at all except for them making Georgia another 1 loss SEC team that beat us and only loss is the SECCG.

Pretty sure I remember the committee being clear a 2 loss team doest get in. If they do, then none of us know anything and throw everything out the window.

I agree with you. I did think LSU’s positioning to #7 after the Bama win was interesting. Oregon lost so they move up to 6. If TCU drops a game while Michigan or lose, you could see Tennessee Top 4 with LSU with 2 losses at #5 with a game vs #1.

LSU always gets lucky bounces for “first ever” events so I’m not sleeping on them. I think their resume at 11-2 trumps USC at 12-1.

Crazy times Behr!!!

 

[65YearsAVol]

Here we are in November sitting at 9 and 1. What a blessing to be a Vol fan! This resurgence is amazing. If we don't make the playoffs the season has already been a success... at least to me. The consolation prize is pretty good as well. I hope we break SC Jr. and crush Vandy. GO VOLS!

 

[LadyVolette]

Nope, loser of Michigan / OSU drops out. late season losses hurt more

I don’t think they keep both teams in, even if close game.. they are pretty much the same team with Michigan having a much weaker schedule

 

[hillsborovol]

I agree some people are setting themselves up for disappointment. The committee really REALLY values conference champs. This is not BVS. UT wont get that chance due to playing UGA in the regular season.

The committee REALLY values teams with less than 2 losses. There has NEVER been a 2-loss team in the gang of 4.

If they value conference champions so much, how did Alabama get in the CFP in 2017? They didn't win, nor even play, in the SEC Championship game. Alabama won the National Championship that year too.

 

[JMSqb11]

The committee REALLY values teams with less than 2 losses. There has NEVER been a 2-loss team in the gang of 4.

If they value conference champions so much, how did Alabama get in the CFP in 2017? They didn't win, nor even play, in the SEC Championship game. Alabama won the National Championship that year too.

There was never a 2 loss team to make the title game in BCS era until some breaks went their way with LSU.

No one is saying LSU winning out and finishing 11-2 is a lock for the playoff. Howveer after last night, their road got a lot easier with Oregon losing.

If TCU drops a game, LSU is a win in Atlanta from the CFP having to decide on a 11-2 LSU and a 1 loss Michigan/Ohio State loser for the final playoff spot….

 

[PEPPERJAX]

The only way the SEC gets 2 teams in the playoffs is if the loser of the Mich/OSU game gets blown out or it's a non-competitive game.

I think the committee will give the Big 10 the same benefit of the doubt that they gave the SEC last year. Bama was 11-1 but went to the SECCG and won, and UGA was undefeated going into the game but was #1 for most of the CFP rankings. The same can be said back in 2017, Bama did not play in the SEC title game but got in with UGA. Bama was beaten by an 11-1 Auburn who was beaten by an 11-1 UGA in the SEC title game. Our biggest wins come against teams with 2 losses and our remaining schedule does not have a top-20 team left. In other words, if Mich/OSU goes into their game undefeated and plays like they did last year where the winner won by less than 10, then the loser will get the same benefit of the doubt. Let's hope the Mich/OSU game is a blowout one way or the other. I think the 4th team will be either TCU or the PAC 12 winner with 0 or 1 loss. Also, we need TCU to slip up. Baylor did not look like a world-beater today. The playoff committee would like nothing more than to have teams representing 4 out of the 5 power conferences. It's all about the money. Take your emotions out of it. Do you think they will pick us over USC and risk losing the west coast or Texas/ Southwest viewership?

OSU (#3 Mich)
UGA (#7 LSU)
Mich (#2 OSU)
USC/TCU (USC would play #9 UCLA)

btw- I think TA&M will beat LSU- Jimbo will be playing for a lot.

The big ten is weak this year dude. The winner of OSU and Michigan gets a spot in the playoffs. We need all of the pac 12 contenders to have two losses. So Cal is the only team in that conference with one loss right now. I believe TCU will run the table heading into the Big 12 championship game. If they win the big 12, then they deserve to be there.

 

[Sarms58]

Things worked out in 1998…I’m just going to relax and enjoy our last two games. This is a great season and it’s fun again!

 

[Behr]

I agree with you. I did think LSU’s positioning to #7 after the Bama win was interesting. Oregon lost so they move up to 6. If TCU drops a game while Michigan or lose, you could see Tennessee Top 4 with LSU with 2 losses at #5 with a game vs #1.

LSU always gets lucky bounces for “first ever” events so I’m not sleeping on them. I think their resume at 11-2 trumps USC at 12-1.

Crazy times Behr!!!

Yeah, crazy times for sure and you ain't helping it any. Lol. Between this post "If TCU drops a game while Michigan or lose, you could see Tennessee Top 4 with LSU with 2 losses at #5 with a game vs #1." And your following post below, it's easy to see why others get confused with your "material" for lack of a better term. Lol.

 

[chattaboogie]

It is often difficult to tell the difference between categories of participants on these boards.

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Every time someone starts a thread, like this one, that is unnecessarily critical of our lads, our coaches, or our program, it makes most of us wonder: what's this guy's angle?

He could, at the very top end, be a healthy, not mentally ill fan of the team who is just exploring a negative angle.

He could suffer Battered Vol Syndrome. Hopefully, more and more of those poor souls find the self-cure as the Vols continue to strive toward excellence and championship football, but some are still trapped in this hellscape.

He could be a natural Eeyore. Someone who is just negative about every damn thing in life. From what I've seen, there's no curing this, you just spend as little time as necessary with these folks and otherwise accept them for who they are.

Or, he could be a troll. Worse even than rival fans, because a troll is dishonest about it.

This is my thought process every single time a person gets hostile to our team on these boards. What are they, really?

I think this fella, volbound1700, is either a BVS victim or an Eeyore. I don't think he's a troll, he doesn't give off any of the tell-tale signs. But he's certainly not 100% healthy. So, we're left hoping it is BVS. A temporary condition that can be cured with time.

Go Vols!

 

[JMSqb11]

Yeah, crazy times for sure and you ain't helping it any. Lol. Between this post "If TCU drops a game while Michigan or lose, you could see Tennessee Top 4 with LSU with 2 losses at #5 with a game vs #1." And your following post below, it's easy to see why others get confused with your "material" for lack of a better term. Lol.

In the event of "if TCU drops a game", I'm saying here in the regular season. Since Michigan/OSU are literally last game of season, that would be Tennessee at 4 before their game (2 vs 3) with LSU sitting at #5.

TCU is at a point now where a loss completely ends their playoff hopes even if they rebounded to win Big 12 with 6-4 Baylor / 4-6 Iowa State left.

But to calm any confusion on my current stance, the "if TCU drops a game" only matters for LSU's case for the playoff.

Tennessee still goes as long as we are 11-1. We don't need any help from TCU.

Giddy up Buttercup

 

[The Original Fade]

It’s not about accuracy, it’s about trust and clout. You’ve got to earn respect or your opinions can be easily dismissed

Lol

 

[hillsborovol]

There was never a 2 loss team to make the title game in BCS era until some breaks went their way with LSU.

No one is saying LSU winning out and finishing 11-2 is a lock for the playoff. Howveer after last night, their road got a lot easier with Oregon losing.

If TCU drops a game, LSU is a win in Atlanta from the CFP having to decide on a 11-2 LSU and a 1 loss Michigan/Ohio State loser for the final playoff spot….

LSU's road did get easier. However, they have some problems.
1) Georgia is in.
2) The OSU/Michigan winner is in.
3) TCU is in if they win out.
4) Tennessee is in if we win out.
5) Even the loser of OSU/Michigan may stay ahead of a 2-loss LSU team.
Much less likely, but a 1-loss USC could get selected too as the rankings collapse with teams losing and move USC higher.

LSU looked very pedestrian against Arkansas' 2nd string QB. Unless the committee selects 3 SEC teams, I think LSU is left out even if they are the SEC champs.

In 2016, a 1-loss Ohio State was selected over a 2-loss Big10 Champion Penn State. Heck, PSU even beat (barely) OSU in a regular season head to head matchup. That sounds VERY similar to this year's Tennessee/LSU situation, except we absolutely boat-raced LSU at their home field.

In 2018, a 1-loss Big 10 champion Ohio State didn't make the playoffs either.

Conference championships are a factor, but they look at other things too.

 

[TnVol!]

I'm glad our coaches and players don't think like this. BEAT SOUTH CAROLINA!!!!!

 

[VFL-82-JP]

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Yeah, I had both these threads in mind when I posted in that other thread, heh.


One can only hope folks like the OPs of these two threads are just BVS sufferers, and not permanent Eeyores.

Good news is, neither of them give off any of the tell-tale signs of trolls.

Go Vols!

 

[UTK]

Only way we get left out is if USC and TCU both run the table. One loss Michigan or loss Ohio State would not have anywhere near the resume as one loss Tennessee

 

[2EastTnVols]

I agree with you. I did think LSU’s positioning to #7 after the Bama win was interesting. Oregon lost so they move up to 6. If TCU drops a game while Michigan or lose, you could see Tennessee Top 4 with LSU with 2 losses at #5 with a game vs #1.

LSU always gets lucky bounces for “first ever” events so I’m not sleeping on them. I think their resume at 11-2 trumps USC at 12-1.

Crazy times Behr!!!

I don't think there's any way lsu beats ga. If they do however and jump Tennessee in the rankings it's total bs. Even Rece Davis stuck up for us when the other espn idiots were tossing around that scenario. He said he was at the game and witnessed the whoopin we put on lsu in their building and said he couldn't imagine putting them over us if we win out. I do feel we will somehow get screwed though.

 

[JMSqb11]

LSU's road did get easier. However, they have some problems.
1) Georgia is in.
2) The OSU/Michigan winner is in.
3) TCU is in if they win out.
4) Tennessee is in if we win out.
5) Even the loser of OSU/Michigan may stay ahead of a 2-loss LSU team.
Much less likely, but a 1-loss USC could get selected too as the rankings collapse with teams losing and move USC higher.

LSU looked very pedestrian against Arkansas' 2nd string QB. Unless the committee selects 3 SEC teams, I think LSU is left out even if they are the SEC champs.

In 2016, a 1-loss Ohio State was selected over a 2-loss Big10 Champion Penn State. Heck, PSU even beat (barely) OSU in a regular season head to head matchup. That sounds VERY similar to this year's Tennessee/LSU situation, except we absolutely boat-raced LSU at their home field.

In 2018, a 1-loss Big 10 champion Ohio State didn't make the playoffs either.

Conference championships are a factor, but they look at other things too.

What part of "LSU needs TCU to drop a game" to have a shot do you not understand? If TCU drops a game in the final two weeks, that means LSU is sitting in the Top 5 as a 2 loss team with a game against #1...... This is why I have been very clear that LSU's only path to the playoff will be the first ever playoff with 3 teams from same conference. You can't have 11-2 LSU in the playoff and keep us out at 11-1.....

LSU's path to the playoff hinges on there only being 2 undefeated P5 champs, which means TCU must drop a game and LSU must win in Atlanta. I personally don't think they beat UGA, but LSU is sneaky in Atlanta.....

And 2016 and 2018 are very much different....

2016, Penn State was not in the top 6 when the conference title game came around. To add to it, they played Wisconsin who was ranked #6.... #7 beat #6 would not justify a 3 point jump into the Top 4.. There is no world where #5 (LSU) beats #1 in the final weekend and gets left out of the playoff because of 2 losses. Penn State simply did not have enough good opponents left to make that jump from outside looking in......


In 2018's case, you had 3 undefeated teams going into conference title weekend in Bama, Clemson, and 12-0 ND, followed by 11-1 UGA at 4, 11-1 OU, 11-1 OSU. The only matter of uncertainty in that final week was who would wind up in the 4th spot. If UGA beat Bama, both go to the playoff. Bama won knocking UGA out and the final spot was up to #5 OU beating #14 Texas in the BIG 12 Title game vs #6 Ohio State beating #21 Northwestern. Ohio State won their conference but CFP viewed their win as not better than OU's. Also ND played a spoiler role going 12-0.....

 

[JMSqb11]

I don't think there's any way lsu beats ga. If they do however and jump Tennessee in the rankings it's total bs. Even Rece Davis stuck up for us when the other espn idiots were tossing around that scenario. He said he was at the game and witnessed the whoopin we put on lsu in their building and said he couldn't imagine putting them over us if we win out. I do feel we will somehow get screwed though.

Any scenario where LSU goes to playoff is with Tennessee and Georgia also there aka first ever 3 teams from one conference in the playoff.

 

[Behr]

Any scenario where LSU goes to playoff is with Tennessee and Georgia also there aka first ever 3 teams from one conference in the playoff.

This is where you get everything all jacked up and confusing.

IF .....the committee decides to put a 2 loss LSU SEC Champion in the playoffs, and Georgia's only loss is in the SECCG, Tennessee will get left out.

 

[first time caller]

I don't see TCU losing. All I know is out of Tennessee, Ohio State, and Michigan, somebody's going to be really Pi$$ed.

 

[Behr]

What part of "LSU needs TCU to drop a game" to have a shot do you not understand? If TCU drops a game in the final two weeks, that means LSU is sitting in the Top 5 as a 2 loss team with a game against #1...... This is why I have been very clear that LSU's only path to the playoff will be the first ever playoff with 3 teams from same conference. You can't have 11-2 LSU in the playoff and keep us out at 11-1.....

LSU's path to the playoff hinges on there only being 2 undefeated P5 champs, which means TCU must drop a game and LSU must win in Atlanta. I personally don't think they beat UGA, but LSU is sneaky in Atlanta.....

And 2016 and 2018 are very much different....

2016, Penn State was not in the top 6 when the conference title game came around. To add to it, they played Wisconsin who was ranked #6.... #7 beat #6 would not justify a 3 point jump into the Top 4.. There is no world where #5 (LSU) beats #1 in the final weekend and gets left out of the playoff because of 2 losses. Penn State simply did not have enough good opponents left to make that jump from outside looking in......
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In 2018's case, you had 3 undefeated teams going into conference title weekend in Bama, Clemson, and 12-0 ND, followed by 11-1 UGA at 4, 11-1 OU, 11-1 OSU. The only matter of uncertainty in that final week was who would wind up in the 4th spot. If UGA beat Bama, both go to the playoff. Bama won knocking UGA out and the final spot was up to #5 OU beating #14 Texas in the BIG 12 Title game vs #6 Ohio State beating #21 Northwestern. Ohio State won their conference but CFP viewed their win as not better than OU's. Also ND played a spoiler role going 12-0.....

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[joevol33]

Member for less than a month. Says a lot buddy

It's funny, all these newer "Tennessee fans" on here do nothing but post about how bad we are, or can't make the playoffs. There have been a couple of exceptions, but they're mostly trolls. Probably mad bama fans, or worried puppy fans.

 

[JMSqb11]

This is where you get everything all jacked up and confusing.

IF .....the committee decides to put a 2 loss LSU SEC Champion in the playoffs, and Georgia's only loss is in the SECCG, Tennessee will get left out.

I don't believe that for one second. TCU going 13-0 is why LSU gets left at the alter.

LSU absolutely has to have TCU lose a game to have any shot... If TCU keeps hoe humming in the final 2 games and Tennessee puts up two more 60 pointer games, we will be the #3 seed going into final weekend where we have no game sadly due to loss to UGA.

I do not believe the CFP would put a 11-2 LSU in over 13-0 TCU who has virtually played nobody. I sure as hell don't believe the CFP would put an 11-2 LSU in over 11-1 Tennessee given the mismatch in the head to head. LSU has to have TCU drop a game.

 

[901 Orange]

All i am trying to say is that if OSU and Mich. go into their game undefeated and the loser only has one loss and the winner wins the conference, then both will get in. The same argument could have been made for us had we been more competitive in the UGA game.

It's not the same argument because OSU & Mich dont have strong resumes. We played 6 ranked opponents this year & dominated 4 of them. Every team ranked in the top 5 this year that lost, fell at least 3-4 spots no matter what the score was. Bama lost a close game to us and still fell from 3 to 6. The Mich/OSU game is too late in the year. If the game was 2 weeks ago I might agree with you, but that game is too late in the year the loser is out. The winner is only getting in because they would have a top 5 victory & possibly a Conference Title. The loser would have neither.

 

[I Love Lamp]

North Carolina will beat Clemson

It’s crazy how under the radar North Carolina is. They are the best team in the ACC and NOBODY is talking about them. Granted, that conference is way down this year.