I would like to thank the Supreme Court, the NCAA, the universities, and players and their parents for ruining college football

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lawgator1 said:
There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.
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I get it but at the same time these were essentially communist institutions, the product on the field has a right to capitalize of their NIL now as far as being out of control there is def some shady stuff that goes beyond the actual NiL but itll be tough to monitor that
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
In theory, but no athlete or group of athletes in their right mind gives up the right to "be like Mike."

The man is a billionaire and the vast majority is from NIL. You'd have to be an idiot to trade that kind of potential earnings in a bargaining agreement. Most athletes that are ridiculously wealthy got most of their money from NIL deals.
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Salaries will likely be collectively bargained, but not individual NIL. I agree they’d never find player consensus for this. The pros generally haven’t.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.
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Lol what a whining piece of excrement. We know your coach and program suck. Quit making excuses
 
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kcvols1 said:
I think the Supremes have made their feelings on these points very clear. CA7 will likely toe that line going forward if counsel can manage to state their cases correctly.
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Having the NLRB agree to take up the "players are employees" lawsuit is scary for me. The NCAA may be sick of losing money to lawyers and legal challenges to the courts and just roll over.

I'd love to see some way the revenue generating sports could be spun away from the schools, license the names, the facilities, etc but that's not a very popular opinion.

I think it might be the only way to save smaller schools from just not having the money to pay salaries for players and perhaps the larger schools will be able to keep the "non revenue" sports alive (though I've no idea how schools will fund them without the big revenue sports.)

It's a mess. I just don't see a good solution.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
Having the NLRB agree to take up the "players are employees" lawsuit is scary for me. The NCAA may be sick of losing money to lawyers and legal challenges to the courts and just roll over.

I'd love to see some way the revenue generating sports could be spun away from the schools, license the names, the facilities, etc but that's not a very popular opinion.

I think it might be the only way to save smaller schools from just not having the money to pay salaries for players and perhaps the larger schools will be able to keep the "non revenue" sports alive (though I've no idea how schools will fund them without the big revenue sports.)

It's a mess. I just don't see a good solution.
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They’ll have to use the revenue producing sports to pay wages across the board because kids are putting in the hours unpaid.

I don’t think anything should get blown up completely, it’s just a matter of the market working out the most efficient model. There will be winners and losers at that because there always are.

Certainly there will be more than a few schools that run their athletics programs at a loss FOR THE SAKE OF THE NON MONETARY BENEFITS OF ATHLETICISM ALONE.

I put that in caps because many many people only think of value in monetary terms alone. There’s lots of things have value apart from and beyond the amount of profit they generate.

That’s why universities themselves tend to operate off of income-generating endowments. Heck, that’s supposed to be the whole reason for universities being non profit to start.
 
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Vol8188 said:
3 years for most players and even less for many. That’s very transitory.

The haves and have nots interact billions of times every day in all workplaces, and almost always uneventfully. The idea that this will create some great strife is absurd
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Look, I’m not getting into details here, but this is already occurring , the “locker room” strife. I am certain in this matter , and only need to see UT v. USCe ‘22. After speaking with people currently on the team and their parent (some HS coaches in state), I am certain we have already experienced this facet of NIL. You can stay in your safe space and “feel” however you want, but it’s real and it has already occurred here. Now UF is feeling another aspect of NIL.
 
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kcvols1 said:
They’ll have to use the revenue producing sports to pay wages across the board because kids are putting in the hours unpaid.

I don’t think anything should get blown up completely, it’s just a matter of the market working out the most efficient model. There will be winners and losers at that because there always are.

Certainly there will be more than a few schools that run their athletics programs at a loss FOR THE SAKE OF THE NON MONETARY BENEFITS OF ATHLETICISM ALONE.

I put that in caps because many many people only think of value in monetary terms alone. There’s lots of things have value apart from and beyond the amount of profit they generate.

That’s why universities themselves tend to operate off of income-generating endowments. Heck, that’s supposed to be the whole reason for universities being non profit to start.
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I'm not a believer the market can fix this for smaller schools. The tennis team at TN Wesleyan or whatever is going to be hard to justify paying, especially with the inevitable unionizing, salary minimums, etc.

Also, as with players as employees I can't see the "student" aspect of college being legally sustainable. At that point Stetson Bennett may be able to come back at 30 and play for GA. Again, these are hired employees and forcing an employee to attend school and "retire" after 5-6 years is going to be shaky legal ground IMO.

I'm there with you about the value of college athletics being more than monetary but with the continual and inevitable cash issues education faces, universities drop various majors, etc because of funding issues. What athletics has that something like an "organic farming major" doesn't is the fact that schools are branded by sports, conferences, etc. When UAB dropped football, the backlash was severe but I'm sure they've dropped other things without so much as a whimper.

I'm torn. I want to believe the NCAA or whatever replaces them can see their way through this but damn..... they screwed it up to get us here.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Lol what a whining piece of excrement. We know your coach and program suck. Quit making excuses
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UF is caught in one of these bidding war situations now, apparently. But you are delusional if you don't think UT will have the same problem at some point soon.
 
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snappervol said:
Look, I’m not getting into details here, but this is already occurring , the “locker room” strife. I am certain in this matter , and only need to see UT v. USCe ‘22. After speaking with people currently on the team and their parent (some HS coaches in state), I am certain we have already experienced this facet of NIL. You can stay in your safe space and “feel” however you want, but it’s real and it has already occurred here. Now UF is feeling another aspect of NIL.
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Teams lose games they should win all the time. If you’re using that and unfounded rumors as “all the proof you need” then you have an insanely low threshold. Especially given how well the team played in the two games after that and the rest of the season.

It’s not real. Every day. In every aspect of life, inequality exists.
 
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Boone&Crockett said:
Is it legal to pay High School kids while they are playing? If so this will eventually trickle down to every level.
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Dunno if he gets paid for it but the audio broadcast of elizabethton games mentioned to go to a player's place of employment... i think the shop was an official sponsor of the broadcast and i have no idea of the player was compensated or just an excuse to name drop the shop
 
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lawgator1 said:
UF is caught in one of these bidding war situations now, apparently. But you are delusional if you don't think UT will have the same problem at some point soon.
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There's no bidding war.

There's a young man who wants to play for the gators but won't do it until the folks who promised him a contract start to honor that contract.

There's no evil enemy university trying to steal him away. There's just florida, the NIL dealer who is reneging on the deal, and this player.

The kid's not mercenary. He honestly wants to go to UF. But he's not willing to be taken advantage of.

Lawgator, you're trying to think of your program as a victim, like there are evil enemies doing bad things to you. There aren't. There's just a lot of ineptitude around your program in recent months and years. Your program is a basket case.

It's just you. It's not all of us. It's just you.


[all of this according to well-informed neutral sources, like Josh Pate on Late Kick ]
 
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VFL-82-JP said:
There's no bidding war.

There's a young man who wants to play for the gators but won't do it until the folks who promised him a contract start to honor that contract.

There's no evil enemy university trying to steal him away. There's just florida, the NIL dealer who is reneging on the deal, and this player.

The kid's not mercenary. He honestly wants to go to UF. But he's not willing to be taken advantage of.

Lawgator, you're trying to think of your program as a victim, like there are evil enemies doing bad things to you. There aren't. There's just a lot of ineptitude around your program in recent months and years. Your program is a basket case.

It's just you. It's not all of us. It's just you.


[all of this according to well-informed neutral sources, like Josh Pate on Late Kick ]
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That is two days old ... and incorrect
 
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lawgator1 said:
UF is caught in one of these bidding war situations now, apparently. But you are delusional if you don't think UT will have the same problem at some point soon.
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I don't think so. They have handle NIL completely different than FL. FL just basically renege on it's deal and the kid had other opportunities to go play at other schools for less. FL dangled a pot of money in front of him and pulled it back.

TN does not operate that way and CJH ensures that is not done in that manner once a player is committed. TN doesn't do bidding wars and they walk away from them.

FL evidently does and found out they overcommitted and stated we will give you what the others were offering.
 
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lawgator1 said:
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Well, there's nothing in Farrell's brief paragraph that contradicts the central facts reported by Pate. A Florida-supporting NIL agent or collective offered Rashada a contract; Rashada accepted; the agent/collective failed to deliver; Rashada is waiting to enroll until they do; and they may never actually do so.

None of this fits your narrative of, "the NIL is evil, it causes schools to fight over money-grubbing players, someone is trying to steal Rashada away from us, we're in a bidding war, woe is us, and just you wait, Tennessee, it's going to happen to you and everyone else, too. The sky is falling."

No, your program's associated NIL agents are making promises they can't/won't keep. That's all this is.
 
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scottvols69 said:
Nooooo UF has a we wrote a bad check and wants to renegotiate problem.

(And its glorious).
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In this particular case, it wasn’t the university. But that whole production has a VERY RECENT history of cheaping out on obligations. They negotiated down McElwain’s buyout FROM Colorado State by scheduling a home and home, then conjured up a “scandal” to penny pinch his buyout when they fired him. Don’t remember the details of Mullen’s compensation. For the money that outfit brings in, there’s some accounting nightmares when it’s nutcutting time.
 
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kcvols1 said:
Salaries will likely be collectively bargained, but not individual NIL. I agree they’d never find player consensus for this. The pros generally haven’t.
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How will they ever be collectively bargained? There is no Union and it is doubtful that there ever will be.
 
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lawgator1 said:
UF is caught in one of these bidding war situations now, apparently. But you are delusional if you don't think UT will have the same problem at some point soon.
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UF didn’t pay the promised $.

But it does raise a question about the enforceability of these agreements, especially when they involve minors.
 
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