I would like to thank the Supreme Court, the NCAA, the universities, and players and their parents for ruining college football

[GetYouSomeofThat]

I appreciate that point of view and you have a point. I wouldn't argue the players don't have a right to NIL income. I'm just saying that it's going to change what I, personally, enjoyed about college football.



But maybe my view is just antiquated. And as I said at the beginning maybe I and others in my age range overly romanticized it from the getgo.

I am 55. Age should bring wisdom and understanding IMO. Nostalgia has its place but not in decision making processes. Again...IMO.

 

[madbamahater]

After years of complaining, we FINALLY have the closest thing to parity in college football than there's ever been. Now, people are complaining about it. I like the poster, has been very insightful and a great member of our VolNation community, but fans can't have it both ways.

I don't recall any backlash when Napier was hired and brought in players via the portal. Now, though, since Napier has lost a lot via the same process, everyone is up in arms.

Whether someone is transfering for a better opportunity (playing time), or for financial reasons, it's all for "gain". Yes, this has changed college football. It has changed it for the better.

Everyone complains about teenagers and young adults not having financial sense to prepare them for the rest of their lives. Now, they have a system where they can participate in that environment and it's bad? If anything, just offer courses or counseling to assist them with making well calculated decisions, or understand that the grass isn't always greener.....

I used to be 1000 percent against all of this. I used to be against athletes getting any extra benefit. I have completely transformed and have done a 180.

 

[cardvolfan]

It shouldn't be sad. You should be happy a massive wrong had been fixed. Why the hell would you be ok with someone not being able to earn off their Name, Image, and Likeness? It's evil.

That’s not anywhere close to what I said. I was responding to 2-3 posts from another poster where he thoroughly explained he was not against NIL’s etc. Jumping my case about something I didn’t say isn’t cool, but maybe that’s your MO.

 

[snappervol]

Can just imagine the type of people you have talked to about it.

People like me, ……… NIL is ruining the college game we all grew to love. Note I am in no way against players benefiting financially, that’s not how NIL will ruin the game. The Wild West aspect of NIL is where the trouble lies.

 

[NighthawkVol]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

The Supreme Court's ruling was completely valid. A 9-0 decision.

 

[Majors]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

You forgot Ed O'Bannon O'Bannon v. NCAA

 

[Manchester Vol]

We need a college draft. Parity.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. ... But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player. Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

And it turns out, this original post was almost entirely wrong.

1. The player involved, Jaden Rashada, is trying to be loyal to Florida, while still demanding he be treated fairly. He still wants to be a gator. He's just not going to honor a commitment until the other side honors theirs.

2. There is no bidding war. Rashada isn't thinking of going elsewhere. As far as anyone knows, no one is trying to woo him away, whether with $$ or anything else.

3. No player is being stolen here. Florida's NIL dealers are simply falling through on their commitments. Turns out they dont have, or aren't really willing to spend, the $$ they promised.

4. There is one true thing in the OP: Florida fans are depressed, and getting more depressed. They have a right to. Things in Gainesville these days seem to be a cluster flock.

GO Vols!

 

[cobbwebb0710]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

Take it for what it is, semi pro football.
Gone are the days of innocence in college football, pride and allegiance are done too.
I was all “get off my lawn” at first but I’ve accepted it and see it for what it is now, a business.
We’ll always have the old days, our childhood heroes and glory days to hold on to and no one can take that from us.
I just hate that my young sons will grow up with a vastly different college football than the one I grew up and fell in love with.

 

[volfeeva]

This problem arose from the criticism that players were living hand to mouth while universities raked in millions in revenue---and how unfair that was. There was a time when solutions could have fixed this but what we wound up is dysfunctional = discontent because some players getting NIL contracts and other players nothing. And even worse is the portal where players jump around and yes, not loyalty at all to a school . And it's all but destroyed the bowl system where they have almost no meaning today because players bail for the pros.

 

[Volnbeers]

take it to the gator boards

 

[Iam4utalways]

NIL is better than paying under the table. Transfer restrictions should be lifted.

Student athletes shouldn’t have restrictions that don’t apply to any other student.

 

[Sudden Impact]

Many questions and proposals happening with NIL and the Transfer Portal.
You can't just talk about NIL with the Golden Ticket hanging out there in the Transfer Portal.
None One issue but both are creating and feeding the frenzy of the other. Double Edge Sword

Fixes are limited, but fixes that will keep players at their original school are IMO as follows:

1. Great Facilities
2. Management of NIL correctly
3. Create winning Teams
4. Continue to over Recruit
5. Family and Team Environment
6. Create and Program Players for success at Next level
7. Create and maintain a Fan Base atmosphere that is second to none as we have witnessed in the past year in Baseball, Basketball and Football.
8. Team Dynamics.

If a player wants to leave then so be it, nothing you can do to stop it unless you would like to provide him with a Nil or better Nil Deal.

NIL should not start until after 1 year for every program in the NCAA. A High School Senior may have the goods but they should be in the system for one year before they are paid. They need to earn it.

 

[snappervol]

UF is the news of the day..... but look over your shoulder...

UT already has experienced trouble via the disparity of NIL (see USCjr game). Again, I’m not against these guys & gals getting paid, not at all. The problem lies in the fact it’s basically unregulated. Will congress ultimately get involved? Sit back and watch, as on team after team, there will be the haves and have nots, and that doesn’t make for a harmonious locker room (again, see UT vs. USCjr ‘22). It will continued to be an issue until it’s not.

 

[lukeneyland]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

All we need is binding contracts with buyouts, the compensation isn’t the problem

 

[ru4real-really?]

it wasn't broke so we fixed it! Used to be a transfer had to sit out a year. But that seemed to work too well? So we fixed it and now look at us!

 

[ru4real-really?]

the overwhelming number of collegiate football teenagers and twenty year olds are just having fun while they grow up and prepare for the road ahead. Most of them are not going to the league. But we have to make our rules as if each and every one is going into professional football! Maybe the fact that they can't get a realistic grip on the situation requires the adults in the room to provide guidance for them and make them settle down and fulfill the commitment they made to the first university that agreed to take them in and prepare them for the future! How many contracts can a teen-ager break and it still be considered OK?

 

[volfan2024]

That said on the other hand the schools are making a ton of money off of gifted athletes so they shouldn’t benefit at all. If I would gave been or have taken baseball more seriously looking back especially with the millions of dollars nowadays I sure would have tried a lot harder. Doubt I really had the skills to take it very far but if you are decent and are taught ways to improve as you progress each level of your career who knows. I guarantee you my loyalty would be to taking care of my loved ones first any money I was able to obtain.

 

[volmandu]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach.

What is this 'loyalty' thing you talk about ? Under performing kids have been quietly pushed out of program for years, where is the loyalty ? Coaches change job easily, where is the loyalty ? As fans we are known to thrash, even send death threats to, kids 18-19 years old, is that loyalty ?
There are many aspect to this debate. Yes, college football fanbase is immense and passionate but what about kids who pour their heart and soul ? What do they get ? A scholarship that gives them education of namesake (ask any football player how busy their lives are 7-8 months of the year to even study) ? All this while NCAA, Universities and Coaches are swimming in money .. UTAD is near 150 million in budget .. why are we upset that some of the money is going to kids who actually help make that money ? Why are we upset that kids have now power to move on or bargain for better deal ? Schools and Coaches have had that power for years .. no one was upset ..

 

[WoodsmanVol]

The truth is out there.

 

[Majors]

NIL is better than paying under the table. Transfer restrictions should be lifted.

Student athletes shouldn’t have restrictions that don’t apply to any other student.

Should football and basketball student athletes start taking out loans to play? Majority of those other students are not provided full rides, meals and rooms.

 

[sjt18]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

Yeah. Except if UF were doing well you'd think it was the greatest thing ever.

NIL didn't start players getting paid. It leveled the playing field in the sense that if a fan base supports its team then it can compete in NIL. Time was when programs with established and secured pay-for-play networks had a HUGE advantage. They could play. They were often programs "too big to fail" so the NCAA didn't really want to know. Only those programs were able to pay. Also programs like UF had the advantage of the inside track for most instate players. So yeah, it would make sense that you'd whine because that's maybe lessened to an extent.

What we had before wasn't much if any better than what we have now. It just isn't benefiting your team currently as much as you want it to.

Your complaint seems to be more related to the portal though. I would agree that there needs to be better rules for the portal. I don't think any player should be able to formally enter the portal until after the NC. This may help teams not go into bowls with half a roster. Maybe even make participation/availability for all of the previous team's games a prerequisite for entering the portal. That move should help HS players who are now not getting opportunities because teams take guys out of the portal instead.

 

[sjt18]

NIL is better than paying under the table. Transfer restrictions should be lifted.

Student athletes shouldn’t have restrictions that don’t apply to any other student.

No they shouldn't. The portal rules need to be tightened.

The current transfer rules even after the portal is used do NOT prevent a kid from accepting a scholarship and attending class so your comparison doesn't hold water. All it says is that they cannot play right away if they transfer more than once without graduating. That's not unreasonable at all.

 

[madbamahater]

I bet law suits are coming with respect to the transfer restrictions.

 

[chuckb1448]

N.I.L. is the final death nail for college football, give it time and most will agree