I would like to thank the Supreme Court, the NCAA, the universities, and players and their parents for ruining college football

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

I bet law suits are coming with respect to the transfer restrictions.

Oddly, the NCAA won that one a few years ago. These days, who knows what the courts might rule.

Court says transfers must sit out a year - The Tribune

 

[JRich]

Just another evolution in the game. If you don't like it, watch D2 or D3.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

There will be no such thing as loyalty to a program, school, or coach. The best players will force universities into bidding wars. A QB that wins the Heisman as a junior? He'll put himself on the free agency list for the portal the day after the bowls are done. Gone will be the days of sitting in the stands and watching a player progress over 2 to 4 years, maybe 5.

I'm not naive, I know it happened before on a lesser scale when it was not legal to make offers like we see now. But the scope of it now, and the fact that its going to just get worse....

There is no solution. NIL cannot be capped. I don't know, maybe student athletes never really did have much loyalty or allegiance and we romanticized it off the strength of the very few that seemed to embrace it, Peyton Manning, Tim Tebow. But now school fan bases are going to needle each other about how they stole this player or that player.

Time to realize that it was really just all about the show in years past? TV rights, pageantry, fight songs. The whole thing is just so depressing.

BWAAAAAAAA HAHAHAHAHA HA HA AHHHH HA HA HA HA HAAAA!!! HEE HEE TEE HEE HEE HAW HAW HA HA HA HAAA!!!! HO HO HEE HA HA TEE HEE HA HA HA HA HAAAAAA!!!!

I have no idea what's going to happen here in the end and it'll probably come bite us in the butt at some point as well, but right now, watching Gator fans lose it in real time, it just really warms my heart.

LOLZ. Suck it Florida.

 

[happy-go_vol]

More like:

Donor and player agree on NIL amount.

Donor from other school offers more just before signing, or just before portal opens. Player jumps ship.

NIL ruins college football.

Their needs to be contracts sign between the player and the donor. The whole point of NIL Is to have a player sell a product and make money on that product for the donor, but if he's getting money to sell a product but isn't selling a product that has to be a breach of agreement

 

[WBO]

The NFL has a salary cap. Why can’t there be a cap for NIL?

Must be collectively bargained. You don't get to dictate salaries from the NCAA level without either collectively bargaining or an effective employment alternative. That's why baseball does not have a salary cap either. The question there is whether you are ready for a college athletes union. It is eventually coming and it is the universities that are going to want it.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

Must be collectively bargained. You don't get to dictate salaries from the NCAA level without either collectively bargaining or an effective employment alternative. That's why baseball does not have a salary cap either. The question there is whether you are ready for a college athletes union. It is eventually coming and it is the universities that are going to want it.

There will never be a cap on NIL. You can't cap what a person earns to make a commercial or appear in an ad or just appear. For instance, Michael Jordan made incredible money via Nike and Gatorade that is NIL money. The NBA had no say over those commercials (other than any "conduct detrimental to the league" concerns) because it's none of their damn business.

The NCAA or school has no business telling a kid, any kid, they can't use their NIL unless it violates the conduct code of the school or NCAA.

They may collective bargain salaries with athletes but they'll never cap NIL earnings.

 

[VOLnFLA]

More like:

Donor and player agree on NIL amount.

Donor from other school offers more just before signing, or just before portal opens. Player jumps ship.

NIL ruins college football.

I think it will hurt the player loyalty to the university and that's one part I love. That's one reason I don't like the NFL that much. I do think kids should get paid bc of the amount of money made off them but wish there was a better way.

 

[butchna]

Congratulations @lawgator1 Florida made Late Kick for not depositing the kids money like they agreed to .

Even if they correct this before the drop dead deadline, next elite prospect has to multiple guess buying their pitch. Florida collectives are Enron stocks.

 

[0nelilreb]

Even if they correct this before the drop dead deadline, next elite prospect has to multiple guess buying their pitch. Florida collectives are Enron stocks.

That’s basically what I was reading from the swamp gas forum . The lizards weren’t pleased with the admin . Lol

 

[snappervol]

The college game has always been transitory. Just like how your job is transitory. If someone offers you a great deal to work for them, why shouldn’t you be able to take it?

The college game has been the opposite of transitory. Fans & student athletes alike were largely seen as having allegiance to a certain school over time , generational support for many. I don’t understand how the “haves” and “have nots” will exist in the same locker room. For those programs at the top, winning will cover up dissent, but wait until the highly paid side of the ball underperforms. It’s already occurring. There will need to be some basic level of NIL for all, not simply a stipend for scholly but rather some of the real money the QB’s , WR’s are garnering. It’s only human nature, you’re going to want a piece of the pie.

 

[Vol8188]

The college game has been the opposite of transitory. Fans & student athletes alike were largely seen as having allegiance to a certain school over time , generational support for many. I don’t understand how the “haves” and “have nots” will exist in the same locker room. For those programs at the top, winning will cover up dissent, but wait until the highly paid side of the ball underperforms. It’s already occurring. There will need to be some basic level of NIL for all, not simply a stipend for scholly but rather some of the real money the QB’s , WR’s are garnering. It’s only human nature, you’re going to want a piece of the pie.

3 years for most players and even less for many. That’s very transitory.

The haves and have nots interact billions of times every day in all workplaces, and almost always uneventfully. The idea that this will create some great strife is absurd

 

[ftsandersvol]

Eventually the NCAA, or the organization that replaces it, and the universities will put a salary structure in place for players/positions. Then we can go back to money being passed under the table like the good old days.

 

[VAVol85]

Errything's the end of it all...until you adjust. Then it ain't. Making billions upon billions with a product yet begrudging relative cents with archaic restrictions for others was never sustainable.

Agree with this. I think the tipping point was the NCAA licensing video games with player likenesses without compensating players. The stranglehold the NCAA had on the football labor market has been going downhill since.

There will be an adjustment because a completely unregulated sport will not be good for anyone. The sport will find a new equilibrium, same as the pro sports recovered from free agency.

 

[WilcoVolsFan]

Even if they correct this before the drop dead deadline, next elite prospect has to multiple guess buying their pitch. Florida collectives are Enron stocks.

They should look on the bright side, at least this time they're only losing a QB over money issues and not child pornography charges.

 

[VAVol85]

Oddly, the NCAA won that one a few years ago. These days, who knows what the courts might rule.

Court says transfers must sit out a year - The Tribune

Certainly not a legal scholar, but I see a distinction between rules of the game (eligibility, roster size, etc.) and rules affecting ownership of one’s image and likeness.

 

[VFL-82-JP]

Their needs to be contracts sign between the player and the donor. The whole point of NIL Is to have a player sell a product and make money on that product for the donor, but if he's getting money to sell a product but isn't selling a product that has to be a breach of agreement

Actually, not exactly.

The whole point of NIL is for businesses and enterprises to have to pay players for use of their name, image and likeness.

That may involve the player hyping a product or service. Or instead, it may involve the player showing up somewhere to sign autographs and have his picture taken. Or it may require nothing of the player at all, him getting paid simply for allowing his business partner to use his name...image...and likeness.

For instance:

I can give Squirrel White $100,000 because I want the right to say, "JP's volnation.com account, Official Sponsor of Squirrel White."

And Squirrel wouldn't have to do anything other than let me claim it. So it's not always about the player cutting radio ads.

Hmm...this is actually a cool idea. Anyone have Squirrel's phone number?

Go Vols!

 

[temptn]

If someone offers you a better job tomorrow, should you be forced to decline it?

Why do you think these players should be?

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Playing football in college is not a job. They actually have a league for that.

 

[TN-POSSUM]

 

[Vol8188]

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Playing football in college is not a job. They actually have a league for that.

Why not? What’s your fundamental objection to this being a job?

 

[WBO]

There will never be a cap on NIL. You can't cap what a person earns to make a commercial or appear in an ad or just appear. For instance, Michael Jordan made incredible money via Nike and Gatorade that is NIL money. The NBA had no say over those commercials (other than any "conduct detrimental to the league" concerns) because it's none of their damn business.

The NCAA or school has no business telling a kid, any kid, they can't use their NIL unless it violates the conduct code of the school or NCAA.

They may collective bargain salaries with athletes but they'll never cap NIL earnings.

The athletes may never agree to it, but it can be done in collective bargaining.

 

[SayUWantAreVOLution]

The athletes may never agree to it, but it can be done in collective bargaining.

In theory, but no athlete or group of athletes in their right mind gives up the right to "be like Mike."

The man is a billionaire and the vast majority is from NIL. You'd have to be an idiot to trade that kind of potential earnings in a bargaining agreement. Most athletes that are ridiculously wealthy got most of their money from NIL deals.

 

[A2K]

I don't really care that the kids are getting paid...The kids are the ones that are feeding these fools..The NIL doesn't need research or change.Its the $ hungary cockroaches that are feeding off of them. These kids literally spend their lives putting in the work to get where they are...so leaches can profit from it..it is quiet frankly disgusting.

 

[WBO]

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Pepe the gator?

 

[kcvols1]

Are you claiming the Utad does use state funding to run?

No, I’m saying your statement may not be as well supported as you think.

Of course, you’re trying to prove a negative. I’ll concede that’s problematic on its own.

However, you could have Googled the NCAA reporting forms and found a $0 under “Direct Institutional Support” in the 2021 report.

Under that, you’ll also see $1MM in “Student Fees” paid to the AD. I’d posit it’s debatable whether that’s State funding. I certainly don’t remember writing a separate check to the UTAD for that when I was a student, but years dim memory. Of course that leads me back to the original source of my doubt of your BS. Certainly you’d concede at least that the University Bursar’s Office is moving those funds from somewhere to the UTAD. Pretty sure those folks are State employees on UT payroll.

If you keep looking at that document, you’ll also see an expense line item for “coaching salaries, benefits & bonuses paid by the University and related entities” to the tune of ~$25MM. See https://s3.amazonaws.com/sidearm.sites/utsports.com/documents/2022/1/18/NCAA_AUP_FY21_Final_.pdf

It doesn’t say whether the University or a “related entity” (which presumably would include the UTAD) paid those amounts.

There IS a posted copy of Heup’s contract that sets forth as between him and the “University of Tennessee … as an instrumentality of the State of Tennessee … for and on behalf of [UTK & UTAD]” to pay him upwards of $3.5MM, plus incentives.

Here’s that: https://tennessee.edu/wp-content/uploads/2022/07/Heupel-Josh-2021-27.pdf

Now I’m not certain that really breaks down to “$0 Direct Institutional Support” as I’m not familiar with what GAAP standards would be on that point, but it sure as heck ain’t nothing. Take that for whatever you will.

 

[kcvols1]

Oddly, the NCAA won that one a few years ago. These days, who knows what the courts might rule.

Court says transfers must sit out a year - The Tribune

I think the Supremes have made their feelings on these points very clear. CA7 will likely toe that line going forward if counsel can manage to state their cases correctly.