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VKAman said:
And he would have gotten destroyed by South Carolina and Georgia. Are you telling me he would have developed Crompton?
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Without a Dave Clawson offense yes I do. Plus Tajh Boyd would have been here. Georgia and South Carolina were not THAT good that year.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
You're using history to make this argument. I'll use history to make mine. For starters, Fulmer never had back to back losing seasons. Second, he never had back to back <7 win seasons. Third, when he had a 7 or less win season, he responded with 9 or more win seasons. Next, his recruiting class was gonna be top 6 in 2008. But as you guys know because y'all are Miss Cleo, that class amounted to nothing even though Fulmer never had a chance to develop them. You use history to make one case. I just gave you 4 facts using the same basis you made your claim.
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Good job. Now use your history and tell me what happened to the last Tennessee coach who went a decade without a conference title.

...what's that? There wasn't one? Well then I guess we should let Fulmer go, shouldn't we?
 
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VKAman said:
And if you're asking for proof that he wouldn't get back to the top, keep in mind that the only way there is through Saban and Spurrier...and go look up his record against them.

Alternately, let me know how many SEC titles he's won in this millennium.
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How many times has Spurrier gone to the championship game this millennium, much less won?
 
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whobethis16 said:
Without a Dave Clawson offense yes I do. Plus Tajh Boyd would have been here. Georgia and South Carolina were not THAT good that year.
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Well, maybe you should tell that to Crompton because he disagrees with you.

How'd we do against those teams in 08? How has Tajh Boyd done against South Carolina?
 
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VKAman said:
Good job. Now use your history and tell me what happened to the last Tennessee coach who went a decade without a conference title.

...what's that? There wasn't one? Well then I guess we should let Fulmer go, shouldn't we?
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Name the last coach that had to play a championship game.
 
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VKAman said:
Well, maybe you should tell that to Crompton because he disagrees with you.

How'd we do against those teams in 08? How has Tajh Boyd done against South Carolina?
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That was with a Dave Clawson offense, so that's where my first point came into play. South Carolina finished 7-6 (4-4) in 08 and 7-6 (3-5) in 09, so no, they weren't THAT good.

Tajh Boyd played at Clemson with not as good of a supporting cast around him as he would have had at Tennessee.
 
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whobethis16 said:
That was with a Dave Clawson offense, so that's where my first point came into play. South Carolina finished 7-6 (4-4) in 08 and 7-6 (3-5) in 09, so no, they weren't THAT good.
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They also had a coach that owned Fulmer.

Tajh Boyd played at Clemson with not as good of a supporting cast around him as he would have had at Tennessee.
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Want to tell me the last time Fulmer had a pair of receivers as good as Watkins and Hopkins? (Hint: Meachem and Swain is an extremely wrong answer.)
 
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gasguy98 said:
With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???
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3 things

1) Fulmer hired clawson
2) Hamilton hired kiffin
3) Hamilton hired dooley

it's hard to overcome poor hiring decisions
 
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History can't accurately predict future events. Opinions should be stated as opinions, not fact. That's on both sides.

Now that Tennessee has wasted four more years, I'm anxious to get back on track.
 
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VKAman said:
Good job. Now use your history and tell me what happened to the last Tennessee coach who went a decade without a conference title.

...what's that? There wasn't one? Well then I guess we should let Fulmer go, shouldn't we?
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Tell me what the worst 4 years of Fulmer's career was record wise. Now tell me the worst 4 years of Tennessee football in the last 40 years, which is about half the fan base's age right now.

Then tell me who the worst four years of our program followed. Ask yourself, are we better off?
 
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VKAman said:
The only difference the SEC title game made is that it gave Fulmer lovers a couple garbage "division championships" to yap about.
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4-1, 5-0, 4-1 in the division for the "garbage division" years you speak of. Yeah, that's a bunch of garbage right there.
 
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VKAman said:
To be clear: you think South Carolina was on Tennessee's level in the '90s?
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You obviously were talking about the 2000s for "this millennium", so my opinion regarding the 90s Gamecocks is completely irrelevant. So, my statement regarding Spurrier is accurate, considering he's only been to Atlanta once (and got stomped) since leaving Florida. So, how great is he really?
 
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Fulmer's hiring of Clawson wasn't his biggest issue. It was retaining Randy Sanders and his loyalty to other position coaches way past their termination date.
 
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TennTom said:
Fulmer's hiring of Clawson wasn't his biggest issue. It was retaining Randy Sanders and his loyalty to other position coaches way past their termination date.
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Sanders was let go after his one bad year. And went to the SECCG twice, with three 10 win seasons.
 
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VKAman said:
And he would have gotten destroyed by South Carolina and Georgia. Are you telling me he would have developed Crompton?
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You have to remember that Crompton put up decent numbers in Cutcliffe's system in 06. Not all-world, but he did much better in 06 and 09 than he did with the Clawfense. You can't say Crompton was terrible in 08 without also offering he might have been a product of a very bad offensive system.
 
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UT offense
'99 20th 1st in SEC
'00 57th 5th in SEC
'01 47th 6th in SEC
'02 85th 8th in SEC
'03 67th 7th in SEC
'04 35th 4th in SEC
'05 90th 8th in SEC

Yep, Sanders was awesome. (Would you like me to give you John Chavis' defensive stats?)
 
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WillisWG said:
Ole Mikey was not able to take the pulse of the football program like Dickey. You have to wonder how things might have played out for CPF is Dickey had still been AD.[/QU Fulmer would have been around a year-maybe two more then the lynch mob would have gotten both! Dickey knew what was coming
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