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#51
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sjrobert said:
Three ten win seasons surrounded by a 27-22 record, below mediocre.
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Which is a helluva lot better than what we've gotten ourselves into now. And what years did you add up? Cause he had a few 9 and 8 win seasons in there with one 5-6 year.
 
#52
#52
TennTom said:
UT offense
'99 20th 1st in SEC
'00 57th 5th in SEC
'01 47th 6th in SEC
'02 85th 8th in SEC
'03 67th 7th in SEC
'04 35th 4th in SEC
'05 90th 8th in SEC

Yep, Sanders was awesome. (Would you like me to give you John Chavis' defensive stats?)[/QU That was more of Fulmer holding him back!
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#54
#54
gasguy98 said:
With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???
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And when you are done. I will thank him for making Tennessee an elite program. Thank him for the NC, 152-52, etc. etc
 
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#55
#55
gasguy98 said:
With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???
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It went to hell when Hammy told Tajh Boyd and John Chavis to hit the road.
 
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#57
sjrobert said:
How, and when was he going to start? 17-16 in conference play his last four years. Why didn't he start four years previous to his termination? He didn't see it coming, didn't know the talent disparity, not very perceptive?
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One of those years we were 10-4 and another year we were 9-4.
 
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whobethis16 said:
Which is a helluva lot better than what we've gotten ourselves into now. And what years did you add up? Cause he had a few 9 and 8 win seasons in there with one 5-6 year.
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The aggregate of the years before the first of three ten wins and the year after the last ten win season, specifically 02-08. 27-22 for the years outside the ten win seasons. Even his eight win season of 02 had five losses and his nine win season of 06 had four losses. He had two losing seasons from 02-08, not one. 5-6 in 05 and 5-7 in 08.
 
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#64
Had I envisioned the Kiffin fiasco and the Dooley era I would have given Phil a shot to fix it. I doubt I am alone.
 
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#69
whobethis16 said:
You obviously were talking about the 2000s for "this millennium", so my opinion regarding the 90s Gamecocks is completely irrelevant. So, my statement regarding Spurrier is accurate, considering he's only been to Atlanta once (and got stomped) since leaving Florida. So, how great is he really?
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So they were way, way worse than us in the '90s? Did they make up the difference because Spurrier is a great coach or because Fulmer isn't?
 
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#70
whobethis16 said:
4-1, 5-0, 4-1 in the division for the "garbage division" years you speak of. Yeah, that's a bunch of garbage right there.
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I thought we were talking about SEC titles. Are we back to trying to hang division "championship" banners?
 
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#71
JMSqb11 said:
Tell me what the worst 4 years of Fulmer's career was record wise. Now tell me the worst 4 years of Tennessee football in the last 40 years, which is about half the fan base's age right now.

Then tell me who the worst four years of our program followed. Ask yourself, are we better off?
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You guys seem to really, really struggle with this. We made one of the worst hires in history, of course it went badly. Dooley is a horrible horrible coach.

Was Michigan worse off under RichRod than under Lloyd Carr? Absolutely. Did that make them want Carr back? No, because their fans aren't idiots. Can't say the same for ours.
 
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#73
whobethis16 said:
4-1, 5-0, 4-1 in the division for the "garbage division" years you speak of. Yeah, that's a bunch of garbage right there.
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For the record, I was saying that the idea of celebrating winning a division is garbage, invented by the title game. Try to keep up.
 
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VKAman said:
You guys seem to really, really struggle with this. We made one of the worst hires in history, of course it went badly. Dooley is a horrible horrible coach.

Was Michigan worse off under RichRod than under Lloyd Carr? Absolutely. Did that make them want Carr back? No, because their fans aren't idiots. Can't say the same for ours.
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I'm not struggling with anything. The argument was and has always been that Fulmer, had he kept his job, would have been worse just like 2009-Present Day.
 
#75
#75
sjrobert said:
No, the 27-22 is exactly correct, but it applies to PF not Sanders.
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Maybe so, but that's like saying an orange is a fruit when talking about apples. Who cares, and how does it apply? This conversation, at that point, was people saying Fulmer was too loyal to "bad assistants" like Sanders. So bringing up Fulmer's record when discussing how good or bad Sanders was is not the right way to try to win an argument. This was about Sanders.
 
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