I would love to have a private discussion

[GreveHaller]

You don't like ties and "backing into SEC championships". All of Majors' championships were ties or by default because Florida was on probation. Based on the product on the field, Fulmer won the first outright SEC in 30 years.

No, but averaging 8 wins a year and getting canned for it is enough to make me not want to take the position, especially if I've got a good thing going where I am. Why would I leave a good job to go someplace where if I don't want 8 or 9 games in my first 3 years and then have one bad (.500 or worse) year and immediately get my head called for? Despite your belief, not everyone drools and jizzes over being the Tennessee coach.

You know who drools for that kind of job? Up-and-comers who have everything to prove to the world and nothing to lose if they fail. Not established successful coaches. Like what we've had since CPF got cannned

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

Name one SEC title game we lost by less than a touchdown.

And while you're at it, tell Dooley that he should have stick around by arguing that 10-point losses are basically wins.

2007 SECCG we lost by a touchdown and our QB threw 2 int's in the fourth qtr. LSU went on to win the NC,

Also ... That year the team returned 11 starters (2nd fewest in SEC). The schedule was ranked 6th toughest in the country entering the year, with road games at California, Alabama and Florida.

I know you said more than a TD ... but last I checked losing by a TD is a close game.

 

[knoxvols1]

I just figured it out! Whothisb16 musta showered in the locker room with Fulmer.. Maybe thats where this "backing in" he's talked so much about is coming from!
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[whobethis16]

I just figured it out! Whothisb16 musta showered in the locker room with Fulmer.. Maybe thats where this "backing in" he's talked so much about is coming from!
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HEH! Gay joke. Hilarious. I absolutely love the maturity that humanity has lowered itself to, especially on this board.

 

[Backwards K]

Going to 5 SECCGs in 11 years, 3 in the last 8 and 1 of the last 2 years of the Fulmer years wasn't good enough. Because "anyone could do that at Tennessee" right?

In the past 6 or 7 years, winning the SEC was tougher than winning the National Championship (see Alabama last year). Tennessee was in the SEC Championship conversation at the first of every year and they were getting to Atlanta for more than their fair share of the SECCGs. But all of that changed.

I hope Butch Jones can get the Vols back to Atlanta on a consistent basis. After all, you have to be there to win the championship.

The Fulmer Era is past but it's a shame to see all of these self proclaimed "VFLs" denigrating a first ballot Hall of Fame coach and a true Volunteer For Life.

 

[whobethis16]

When have I said a word about backing in or ties? I like winning SEC titles. You can talk to me all you want about how some titles are better than others or some titles don't really count, but what I "like" is winning the SEC and Fulmer wasn't doing it. Period.

You all keep comparing us to Bama. Bama hadn't even been IN the SECCG for 9 years. Fulmer was able to go once every three. In the 2000s, Bama went twice, Fulmer 3. Georgia went 3 but took a decade to go the first time, and Florida went 4, but took 6 years to get back in it. In order to win, you've got to go. At least Fulmer was in position to win, and as I said before, had realistic expectations to make it/win as opposed to now.

 

[knoxvols1]

You all keep comparing us to Bama. Bama hadn't even been IN the SECCG for 9 years. Fulmer was able to go once every three. In the 2000s, Bama went twice, Fulmer 3. Georgia went 3 but took a decade to go the first time, and Florida went 4, but took 6 years to get back in it. In order to win, you've got to go. At least Fulmer was in position to win, and as I said before, had realistic expectations to make it/win as opposed to now.[/QU But he didn't win it though! What you keep saying and trying to convince everyone and yourself with all these statistics is the same as telling everyone you've got a lotto ticket for the mega millions but your just one number off!
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[whobethis16]

You all keep comparing us to Bama. Bama hadn't even been IN the SECCG for 9 years. Fulmer was able to go once every three. In the 2000s, Bama went twice, Fulmer 3. Georgia went 3 but took a decade to go the first time, and Florida went 4, but took 6 years to get back in it. In order to win, you've got to go. At least Fulmer was in position to win, and as I said before, had realistic expectations to make it/win as opposed to now.[/QU But he didn't win it though! What you keep saying and trying to convince everyone and yourself with all these statistics is the same as telling everyone you've got a lotto ticket for the mega millions but your just one number off!
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So, when we go 10 years without even making it to Atlanta, which is completely likely, you'll still complain about Fulmer not winning it.

 

[whobethis16]

You all keep comparing us to Bama. Bama hadn't even been IN the SECCG for 9 years. Fulmer was able to go once every three. In the 2000s, Bama went twice, Fulmer 3. Georgia went 3 but took a decade to go the first time, and Florida went 4, but took 6 years to get back in it. In order to win, you've got to go. At least Fulmer was in position to win, and as I said before, had realistic expectations to make it/win as opposed to now.[/QU But he didn't win it though! What you keep saying and trying to convince everyone and yourself with all these statistics is the same as telling everyone you've got a lotto ticket for the mega millions but your just one number off!
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And you'd rather go to the SECCG once every 10 years and win, but be irrelevant the other 9 years and not even compete instead of going every 3 years? I'd rather take the 3 years and know that we are consistently good instead of a fluke season every 10 years.

 

[LWSVOL]

Fulmer doesn't drink

not true. I've drank with him several times

 

[LWSVOL]

With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???

the bottom line to how things changed was other programs in the SEC improved. they hired better coaches (Richt, Saban, Spurrier, Miles, Meyer, etc) who brought those programs up in level of talent and competition. Tennessee talent levels starting falling back (back to the 70s and 80s levels) when those programs starting holding onto more talent.

that is the big difference. Once those programs started improving and holding talent, UT had to go further to recruit and it is harder to get players to travel huge distances to go to school. Our in state talent is not large enough to support the program and compete at top level.

As long as these other programs can keep their top talent, it will be difficult to get back to competing with them. its possible, but going to be very hard. A staff of top recruiters (like what Chizik out together) can get you a quick fix but can it be maintained? be hard.

it always comes back to talent IMO

 

[Eddie Vol Halen]

As long as these other programs can keep their top talent, it will be difficult to get back to competing with them. its possible, but going to be very hard. A staff of top recruiters (like what Chizik out together) can get you a quick fix but can it be maintained? be hard.

it always comes back to talent IMO

This was why Gruden was so important. He could have attacked the recruiting disadvantage head-on.

The hard truth is CBJ has to pull a Top 15 class minimum this year or his tenure is already on a slippery slope. His next class has to be deep into the Top 10 or it's over, Rock. I don't see how Top 10 is possible without building-up this class significantly.

 

[knoxvols1]

Yeah, tell him "thanks Phil" at the end!
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[99gator]

With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???

the main problem was the rest of the programs within the league got their act together. it's that simple.

lsu hired saban
georgia hired richt.
auburn hired tuberville
s.carolina hired spurrier

when programs in surrounding states are run well, it makes it harder for tennessee to recruit and tennessee suffers for it.

 

[whobethis16]

the main problem was the rest of the programs within the league got their act together. it's that simple.

lsu hired saban
georgia hired richt.
auburn hired tuberville
s.carolina hired spurrier

when programs in surrounding states are run well, it makes it harder for tennessee to recruit and tennessee suffers for it.

This is true, but I'd have to say that Richt has underachieved far worse than Fulmer ever did. How many top classes does he have and no NCs?

 

[NashVol11]

And you'd rather go to the SECCG once every 10 years and win, but be irrelevant the other 9 years and not even compete instead of going every 3 years? I'd rather take the 3 years and know that we are consistently good instead of a fluke season every 10 years.

I'd rather win it once a decade than go and lose every single year. You might take comfort in "knowing that we are consistently good," but when they make trophies for that, let me know.

 

[whobethis16]

I'd rather win it once a decade than go and lose every single year. You might take comfort in "knowing that we are consistently good," but when they make trophies for that, let me know.

But you talk about being relevant. In order to be relevant, you need to be in position to win consistently. Ask Auburn about that.

 

[NashVol11]

But you talk about being relevant. In order to be relevant, you need to be in position to win consistently. Ask Auburn about that.

Relevance isn't the goal. Winning SEC titles is the goal. If you never actually win, "relevance" doesn't do you a damn bit of good.

 

[NashVol11]

But you talk about being relevant. In order to be relevant, you need to be in position to win consistently. Ask Auburn about that.

If imaginary division championships are your arbitrary measure of relevance, Auburn has been less relevant than we have since 2000. But they have a national title and we don't. I'd switch places without even thinking twice.

 

[Big_Orange_Fan]

If imaginary division championships are your arbitrary measure of relevance, Auburn has been less relevant than we have since 2000. But they have a national title and we don't. I'd switch places without even thinking twice.

And I'm sure in 98' they were saying the same thing about us. Before winning it in 2010 the last time they won was 57'.

Have you ever coached any team sport? Anything from Little league to pop warner.

 

[posivol]

All great coaches have a bad stretch eventually. He spoiled this generation of fair weather fans who would now love to have a 9 or 10 win season. Maybe he should imprint this on your forehead & knock some sense into you.

put that in ur pipe and smoke it crybabies

 

[posivol]

Going to 5 SECCGs in 11 years, 3 in the last 8 and 1 of the last 2 years of the Fulmer years wasn't good enough. Because "anyone could do that at Tennessee" right?

In the past 6 or 7 years, winning the SEC was tougher than winning the National Championship (see Alabama last year). Tennessee was in the SEC Championship conversation at the first of every year and they were getting to Atlanta for more than their fair share of the SECCGs. But all of that changed.

I hope Butch Jones can get the Vols back to Atlanta on a consistent basis. After all, you have to be there to win the championship.

The Fulmer Era is past but it's a shame to see all of these self proclaimed "VFLs" denigrating a first ballot Hall of Fame coach and a true Volunteer For Life.

some people refer to them as chukleheads,i like to keep it real and just call them dumbazzes

 

[whobethis16]

If imaginary division championships are your arbitrary measure of relevance, Auburn has been less relevant than we have since 2000. But they have a national title and we don't. I'd switch places without even thinking twice.

1.) Surely you can't be serious that you'd be ok if we had 5 win seasons 9 out of 10 years, but won that 10th.
2.) Winning 5 games that many seasons will kill recruiting, so the odds are greatly against you to win that 10th.
3.) Even if by some miracle it happened, due to #2, that win would probably be due to cheating, ie Auburn, and then it wouldn't have mattered anyways, and then be set back even more due to NCAA sanctions.

 

[NashVol11]

1.) Surely you can't be serious that you'd be ok if we had 5 win seasons 9 out of 10 years, but won that 10th.
2.) Winning 5 games that many seasons will kill recruiting, so the odds are greatly against you to win that 10th.
3.) Even if by some miracle it happened, due to #2, that win would probably be due to cheating, ie Auburn, and then it wouldn't have mattered anyways, and then be set back even more due to NCAA sanctions.

You're applying real-life rules to a hypothetical situation. Of course it's unlikely to happen, just like your other scenario is unlikely to happen. The point is, I'd rather win a championship than consistently not win a championship. Like I said, it's not that complicated.

 

[whobethis16]

You're applying real-life rules to a hypothetical situation. Of course it's unlikely to happen, just like your other scenario is unlikely to happen. The point is, I'd rather win a championship than consistently not win a championship. Like I said, it's not that complicated.

Well, that ten years without a berth in the SECCG has a strong possibility of becoming a reality.