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VKAman said:
You guys seem to really, really struggle with this. We made one of the worst hires in history, of course it went badly. Dooley is a horrible horrible coach.

Was Michigan worse off under RichRod than under Lloyd Carr? Absolutely. Did that make them want Carr back? No, because their fans aren't idiots. Can't say the same for ours.
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Where have I said I wanted him back? Find my post that says that. Saying he never should've been fired and wanting him back are two different things. He was fired (without a real great reason to do so) and now I support Jones. As I will the next coach, because at some point this fanbase will demand him to be fired because he won't live up to the standards set by Fulmer himself. He may have success, but it won't be the dynasty on NCAA Football you all play and think should happen in real life.
 
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gasguy98 said:
With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???
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Ha, you can't spell hail
 
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JMSqb11 said:
I'm not struggling with anything. The argument was and has always been that Fulmer, had he kept his job, would have been worse just like 2009-Present Day.
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No...it's not. Have you ever seen anyone on this site say that Dooley was better than Fulmer? That's a retarded argument. The argument is whether Fulmer would win anything when he hadn't in a decade. Apparently, he would have to go 30 years without an SEC title before some of you would move on.
 
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whobethis16 said:
He was fired (without a real great reason to do so) and now I support Jones. As I will the next coach, because at some point this fanbase will demand him to be fired because he won't live up to the standards set by Fulmer himself.
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The "real great reason" is that he was directly responsible for one of the two worst decades, in terms of SEC titles, we've had in the past century.

We have 16 conference titles and Fulmer has two of them. But keep acting like he invented Tennessee football.
 
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VKAman said:
The "real great reason" is that he was directly responsible for one of the two worst decades, in terms of SEC titles, we've had in the past century.

We have 16 conference titles and Fulmer has two of them. But keep acting like he invented Tennessee football.
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And two of them were because Florida was on probation (1985, that "glorious" year, and 1990), and 1989 was a tie with Bama, but the Vols lost to Bama, so they technically lost that one. So that's two that were "backed into", but you don't argue that against Majors, just Fulmer. So the first three since 1969 were not even outright. They weren't that relevant for 30 years.
 
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VKAman said:
No...it's not. Have you ever seen anyone on this site say that Dooley was better than Fulmer? That's a retarded argument. The argument is whether Fulmer would win anything when he hadn't in a decade. Apparently, he would have to go 30 years without an SEC title before some of you would move on.
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Asking if Fulmer would have turned it around had he stayed past 08 is saying that exact thing. You say the argument is whether Fulmer would win anything. Well if I am saying that the last 4 years were worse than any 4 year period in PF career, your stating what I just said.

Also, no one on here has said Dooley or KIFFIN was just as good or better than Phil. People use the cop out that Phil would have been just as bad. That is basically a non-direct way of saying Phil was just as even as Dooley and Kiffin
 
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This is the biggest problem I have with this whole thing. While Fulmer was coach, we had realistic and legitimate goals/expectations to compete for SEC championships every year, even the bad years. Since then, our realistic goal has been to finish at least 4th. That's the result of firing Fulmer, NOT Fulmer's fault. Even this past year, the realistic goal was to win more than they lost. And that's not going to change much in the near (3 years) future.
 
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Rudy123 said:
"Not supposed to happen to a NC winning coach"

Well, look at Chizic and Tressell, they won National Championships and both are gone. Chizic was fired and Tressell was encouraged to quit....
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Cheesit was a fluke, Auburn people know it. No Cam Newton, no NC. They cheated to get him, Aubie knows it. Tressell didn't start to get blown out on the field by rivals, he got busted on ethics issues.
 
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UT Hill Man said:
OP sounds like an ex who always calls drunk, wanting to rehash the same old **** one more time.
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No, not at all. I had some time to kill and was reminiscing about the glory days and simply wondered what Fulmer would say. Not much else to discuss during this time of the year.
 
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gasguy98 said:
With Fulmer. It is the slow part of the year and there is not much to report, it is by gones and all that but reading all the stuff about when/if we will be relevent again makes me want to understand where it all went to hel. I would love to get a few drinks in Fulmer and let him open up about how he let the program rot. Would he admit apathy? Will he admit he felt entitled? Would he blame administration or other coaches? Would he say that he would have fixed it?

Since we have no idea if we will really compete for the SEC again I can't help but want to know what the hel happened? This is not supposed to happen to NC winning coaches. When a big program struggles it is usually after the great coach retires. What happened???
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All great coaches have a bad stretch eventually. He spoiled this generation of fair weather fans who would now love to have a 9 or 10 win season. Maybe he should imprint this on your forehead & knock some sense into you.

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govols/cc said:
All great coaches have a bad stretch eventually. He spoiled this generation of fair weather fans who would now love to have a 9 or 10 win season. Maybe he should imprint this on your forehead & knock some sense into you.
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Don't worry, the majority of the Fulmer haters will be dead by the time TN is competing in the SEC again.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Asking if Fulmer would have turned it around had he stayed past 08 is saying that exact thing. You say the argument is whether Fulmer would win anything. Well if I am saying that the last 4 years were worse than any 4 year period in PF career, your stating what I just said.
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By "turn it around" I mean "win SEC titles." When Fulmer's last was in 1999, I think the answer is obvious.
 
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whobethis16 said:
This is the biggest problem I have with this whole thing. While Fulmer was coach, we had realistic and legitimate goals/expectations to compete for SEC championships every year, even the bad years. Since then, our realistic goal has been to finish at least 4th. That's the result of firing Fulmer, NOT Fulmer's fault. Even this past year, the realistic goal was to win more than they lost.
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That's not the result of firing Fulmer. That's the result of hiring Dooley. I don't know why some of you can't get that through your heads.

You act like we had no choice but to suck after Fulmer. If we had hired Kevin Sumlin like we should have, we wouldn't be having this idiotic discussion.
 
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VKAman said:
That's not the result of firing Fulmer. That's the result of hiring Dooley. I don't know why some of you can't get that through your heads.

You act like we had no choice but to suck after Fulmer. If we had hired Kevin Sumlin like we should have, we wouldn't be having this idiotic discussion.
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Maybe, but no guarantees. And that goes back to how no big name will ever come here because of how we treated one of our own. If we treated our own that way, what do you think an "outsider" feels may happen to him?

And nice avoidance regarding the SEC championships, by the way. Get proven wrong, and you ignore it. Nice.
 
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VKAman said:
By "turn it around" I mean "win SEC titles." When Fulmer's last was in 1999, I think the answer is obvious.
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Not necessarily. We were going to that game every three years. Every game was right there us to win. Saying he wouldn't win being obvious is retarded. If we were getting blown out by TD's, not FG's, I would agree with you
 
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whobethis16 said:
Maybe, but no guarantees. And that goes back to how no big name will ever come here because of how we treated one of our own. If we treated our own that way, what do you think an "outsider" feels may happen to him?

And nice avoidance regarding the SEC championships, by the way. Get proven wrong, and you ignore it. Nice.
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We're not getting big names because we're handling the search like buffoons. It has nothing to do with Fulmer. "OMG, I might get fired if I go 5-7!!" isn't scaring anyone away. No coach expects to go a decade without winning their conference and stick around.

Please, tell me what I said that was wrong. I'll wait.
 
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JMSqb11 said:
Not necessarily. We were going to that game every three years. Every game was right there us to win. Saying he wouldn't win being obvious is retarded. If we were getting blown out by TD's, not FG's, I would agree with you
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Name one SEC title game we lost by less than a touchdown.

And while you're at it, tell Dooley that he should have stuck around by arguing that 10-point losses are basically wins.
 
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VKAman said:
We're not getting big names because we're handling the search like buffoons. It has nothing to do with Fulmer. "OMG, I might get fired if I go 5-7!!" isn't scaring anyone away. No coach expects to go a decade without winning their conference and stick around.

Please, tell me what I said that was wrong. I'll wait.
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You don't like ties and "backing into SEC championships". All of Majors' championships were ties or by default because Florida was on probation. Based on the product on the field, Fulmer won the first outright SEC in 30 years.

No, but averaging 8 wins a year and getting canned for it is enough to make me not want to take the position, especially if I've got a good thing going where I am. Why would I leave a good job to go someplace where if I don't want 8 or 9 games in my first 3 years and then have one bad (.500 or worse) year and immediately get my head called for? Despite your belief, not everyone drools and jizzes over being the Tennessee coach.
 
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VKAman said:
We're not getting big names because we're handling the search like buffoons. It has nothing to do with Fulmer. "OMG, I might get fired if I go 5-7!!" isn't scaring anyone away. No coach expects to go a decade without winning their conference and stick around.

Please, tell me what I said that was wrong. I'll wait.
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But again, you won't complain about Majors "backing in", only Fulmer.
 
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whobethis16 said:
No, but averaging 8 wins a year and getting canned for it is enough to make me not want to take the position, especially if I've got a good thing going where I am. Why would I leave a good job to go someplace where if I don't want 8 or 9 games in my first 3 years and then have one bad (.500 or worse) year and immediately get my head called for? Despite your belief, not everyone drools and jizzes over being the Tennessee coach.
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He wasn't fired because "averaging 8 wins isn't enough." He was fired because he couldn't win the conference to save his life. You go years and years and years without winning a single title, you get fired. Every coach understands that and none of them are afraid of it.
 
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whobethis16 said:
You don't like ties and "backing into SEC championships". All of Majors' championships were ties or by default because Florida was on probation. Based on the product on the field, Fulmer won the first outright SEC in 30 years.
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When have I said a word about backing in or ties? I like winning SEC titles. You can talk to me all you want about how some titles are better than others or some titles don't really count, but what I "like" is winning the SEC and Fulmer wasn't doing it. Period.
 
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