I'd Like To Thank Sean Miller For Proving My Point.

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#101
Hat, not that it will happen, but if UT were to target and land Sean Miller would you consider it a good hire? I've always thought he'd be a good fit here, but when he would've been a viable target at Xavier we weren't really in the market for a coach. Much harder to land him now.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
By great history, do you mean 90's-2005ish
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Make that the 80's until Lute's wife started doing the wild thing with his assistants.

Arizona had a great tradition but we played in Bear Down Gym and the seating capacity was around 2000. It wasn't until they hired Freddie Snowden and built a new facilty did the program take off.

Arizona alum.
 
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For all the people touting Arizona's history, they are not Kentucky, North Carolina, Kansas.

Those schools can grab just about any coach because of their history. Not Arizona and not UT.
 
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joeydupree said:
Where would Michigan bball land on that ladder?
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Great Point!

Arizona is the Michigan of the west. One great run with one coach(Fisher) for a few years that netted a few Final Fours and ONE championship. Outside of that, not a lot of history.
 
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hatvol96 said:
Arizona's "history" consisted of the run of one coach. Period.
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To be fair, he had a nice looooong run.

And Arizona was a factory.

Sean Elliott
Jason Terry
Gilbert Arenas
Mike Bibby
Channing Frye
Andre Iquodola
Damon Stoudamire
Salim Stoudamire
Luke Walton
Richard Jefferson
Khalid Reeves
Steve Kerr

That was just off the top of my head. I consider 'zona an elite elite program.
 
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trevols81 said:
Great Point!

Arizona is the Michigan of the west. One great run with one coach(Fisher) for a few years that netted a few Final Fours and ONE championship. Outside of that, not a lot of history.
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Arizona Basketball
NCAA Tournament champions
1997
NCAA Tournament runner up
2001
NCAA Tournament Final Four
1988, 1994, 1997, 2001
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1976, 1988, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1951, 1976, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011
NCAA Tournament appearances
1951, 1976, 1977, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999*, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011
*vacated by NCAA[1][2]
Conference tournament champions
1988, 1989, 1990, 2002 (Pac-10)
Conference regular season champions
1932, 1933, 1936, 1940, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1953 (BIAA)
1976 (WAC)
1986, 1988, 1989,1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2011 (Pac-10)

Tennessee Basketball
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
2010
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1967, 1981, 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010
NCAA Tournament appearances
1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Conference tournament champions
1936, 1941, 1943, 1979
Conference regular season champions
1936, 1941, 1943, 1967, 1972, 1977, 1982, 2000, 2008


It's really not close!
 
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#110
SGMVols said:
Besides taking advantage of a lucky draw to get to the Elite Eight, what did Pearl accomplish at UT that Mears didnt? Or Hell, Jerry Green for that matter.
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these types of arguments are so genius. take away a guy's greatest accomplishment and just call it luck!
 
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#111
Arizona eight Elite Eights, Tennessee one. Yeah, we're in the same situation. Bit of a reach don't you think?
 
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crparker21 said:
Arizona Basketball
NCAA Tournament champions
1997
NCAA Tournament runner up
2001
NCAA Tournament Final Four
1988, 1994, 1997, 2001
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
1976, 1988, 1994, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2003, 2005, 2011
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1951, 1976, 1988, 1989, 1991, 1994, 1996, 1997, 1998, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2005, 2009, 2011
NCAA Tournament appearances
1951, 1976, 1977, 1985, 1986, 1987, 1988, 1989, 1990, 1991, 1992, 1993, 1994, 1995, 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999*, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2011
*vacated by NCAA[1][2]
Conference tournament champions
1988, 1989, 1990, 2002 (Pac-10)
Conference regular season champions
1932, 1933, 1936, 1940, 1943, 1946, 1947, 1948, 1949, 1950, 1951, 1953 (BIAA)
1976 (WAC)
1986, 1988, 1989,1990, 1991, 1993, 1994, 1998, 2000, 2003, 2005, 2011 (Pac-10)

Tennessee Basketball
NCAA Tournament Elite Eight
2010
NCAA Tournament Sweet Sixteen
1967, 1981, 2000, 2007, 2008, 2010
NCAA Tournament appearances
1967, 1976, 1977, 1979, 1980, 1981, 1982, 1983, 1989, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2006, 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, 2011
Conference tournament champions
1936, 1941, 1943, 1979
Conference regular season champions
1936, 1941, 1943, 1967, 1972, 1977, 1982, 2000, 2008


It's really not close!
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Noone is comparing Zona and UT, the debate is if Arizona is known as a school with great history and tradition. Schools like Indiana, KU, UK,UNC, Duke or schools I would put that label on. I think Arizona has a good history, but not a history that would lure top coaches any more than UT. That's what I am saying. I think if the UT job was open in 09, Miller would have taken that over Zona. UT was a top 25 program consistently at that point so I think a coach would have chosen a job with a great present situation rather than a nice history.
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JokermanVol said:
these types of arguments are so genius. take away a guy's greatest accomplishment and just call it luck!
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I tend to agree. I get his point, but probably half the Elite 8 runs in history by high seeds were aided along the way by the draw somehow.
 
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OrangeInKy said:
Noone is comparing Zona and UT, the debate is if Arizona is known as a school with great history and tradition. Schools like Indiana, KU, UK,UNC, Duke or schools I would put that label on. I think Arizona has a good history, but not a history that would lure top coaches any more than UT. That's what I am saying. I think if the UT job was open in 09, Miller would have taken that over Zona. UT was a top 25 program consistently at that point so I think a coach would have chosen a job with a great present situation rather than a nice history.
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Jobs aren't close to equal.

Arizona isn't a top 5 basketball school, it is (very) arguably a top 10 school. It is the clear cut 3rd best job west of the Mississippi.

Tennessee MIGHT be a top 25 job.
 
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#115
To convince a coach to live in Arizona seems it would be a task in itself.
 
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Also, this whole argument about "they had one great" coach, thats one more than Tennessee and about 325 D1 schools have had. And theirs was top notch.
 
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JokermanVol said:
these types of arguments are so genius. take away a guy's greatest accomplishment and just call it luck!
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Dont waste your time. Any chance to dig him they are gonna take it. Cant leave it alone.
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OrangeInKy said:
Noone is comparing Zona and UT, the debate is if Arizona is known as a school with great history and tradition. Schools like Indiana, KU, UK,UNC, Duke or schools I would put that label on. I think Arizona has a good history, but not a history that would lure top coaches any more than UT. That's what I am saying. I think if the UT job was open in 09, Miller would have taken that over Zona. UT was a top 25 program consistently at that point so I think a coach would have chosen a job with a great present situation rather than a nice history.
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No, the debate was about whether Tennessee will be able to bounce back as quickly as Arizona. This of course raises the question of how these two programs compare. The history argument was raised to diminish the status of 'zona, but let us not get lured into believing that history is the final answer. In a comparison between programs what it ultimately comes down to is brand name. And, yes, a strong history can only help a program's brand name. But recent history is more important. Way more important. It is what determines the strength of the program's brand.

Tennessee's brand has increased over the past six years. By a lot. But 'zona is unquestionably elite.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Also, this whole argument about "they had one great" coach, thats one more than Tennessee and about 325 D1 schools have had. And theirs was top notch.
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People like you don't realize that if Tennessee hires that one great coach, people may be thinking about the Tennessee job like that. And before you say that there's no way UT could hire that kind of coach, just remember the reason Bill Self isn't here is because our former AD screwed up.
 
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tvolsfan said:
People like you don't realize that if Tennessee hires that one great coach, people may be thinking about the Tennessee job like that. And before you say that there's no way UT could hire that kind of coach, just remember the reason Bill Self isn't here is because our former AD screwed up.
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Do you think self would still be here? I know there is no way of knowing but what does your gut say?
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jp1 said:
Do you think self would still be here? I know there is no way of knowing but what does your gut say?
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If he had success, then sure. The idea behind taking a better job is it may be easier to win there. If you're already winning, I don't think it really matters.
 
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tvolsfan said:
People like you don't realize that if Tennessee hires that one great coach, people may be thinking about the Tennessee job like that. And before you say that there's no way UT could hire that kind of coach, just remember the reason Bill Self isn't here is because our former AD screwed up.
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Tennessee COULD make that hire, and I really hope we do. But to be on par with Arizona, it would take about 20 years with that great coach, 5 final fours, and a national title.

We may hire our "great" coach this time, but we won't be at their status for another 20 years. (assuming they have a rather average 20 years)

This is what makes comparing our rebuild to Arizona's rebuild apples and oranges. They were able to "settle" for Sean Miller (the best young coach available at the time). We have little to no chance at Brad Stevens (the best young coach available right now).
 
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#124
Hat's point is that 'Zona's administration was committed to doing whatever it took to help him win there. Thus, the LONG run everyone is saying he had. UT is VERY capable of that too, with the right guy in here that the administration will back from Day 1. A tremendous backing from the administration is the only way a coach can go far here, i.e. Pearl. If Pearl hadn't been a complete idiot, in regards to staying in the gray area, he would still have a job and we probably wouldn't have sucked as bad this year. Everything happens for a reason, and I believe we will come out better on the backend, even without Pearl as our coach.
 
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g8terh8ter_eric said:
Hat's point is that 'Zona's administration was committed to doing whatever it took to help him win there. Thus, the LONG run everyone is saying he had. UT is VERY capable of that too, with the right guy in here that the administration will back from Day 1. A tremendous backing from the administration is the only way a coach can go far here, i.e. Pearl. If Pearl hadn't been a complete idiot, in regards to staying in the gray area, he would still have a job and we probably wouldn't have sucked as bad this year. Everything happens for a reason, and I believe we will come out better on the backend, even without Pearl as our coach.
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I find that things usually come out better from the backend.
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