If Barnes retires when ZZ is done ......

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VolsSportsFan said:
He said Hey this is probalby far fetched and I agreed.

If you're going to preface something with "I know this sounds unbelieveable but" then don't get upset when I say "yeah that's unbelievable.".

Edit: it was far fectched not stupid/silly.
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Your edit is actually kind of the point. Your initial response read off more that you found his thoughts stupid/silly (probably because you prefaced it with an “lol”). So it makes sense why someone would get “upset” with your response. You weren’t agreeing with him; you were putting him down for even mentioning Redick. That’s how it reads at least.

Hell, his post wasn’t even totally about Redick coaching the Vols, but just being a good college coach in general.
 
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Oldvoldad said:
Where did I mention anything negative about Barnes?
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Pearl is nowhere near the coach CRB is. Saying so is diminishing the fact Barnes is #2 all time in wins and by far the best MBB coach we have had.
Pearl is a POS who set the program back because of his stupidity. His antics on the sideline are embarrassing and rank right up there with Calipari.
 
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87Vol said:
You need to re-read the original post. My top option was Chris Beard. Beard is proven. He took Texas Tech to the Final Four. He should be easy to pull away from a low P5 program like Ole Siss. If he says no, only then would I go to the list, starting with Byington. If Byington can turn around Stackhouse's awful pathetic mess at Vandy in one year and turn them into a ranked contender, on top of what he did at James Madison, then that is enough "proven" in my book to tell me that he can evaluate talent, recruit and coach.
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That's just it though, Byington didn't do anything with Stackhouse's mess. In the modern world of college basketball, a new coach almost starts from scratch, which is much easier, and in fact, preferable when you can lure in any transfer you can land. Byington has a completely new team. It isn't like he's taking Stackhouse's leftovers and moving mountains with them. That entire team transferred out and Byington brought in 13 entirely new players (11 transfers and 2 FR).

Now, credit to him for making them into a competitive team, but it's hardly proof he can build a program. And don't get me wrong, he'd be near the top of my realistic candidate list, as well, but because I don't think we'll pursue Beard due to baggage, Otzelberger isn't leaving Iowa St. for Tennessee, Bruce Pearl is a pipe dream, etc.

For me, if we are going to aim high, Shaka Smart seems to have figured things out at Marquette and only makes $3 million. His postseason record is concerning, but he's improved by one round each year at Marquette. He may not take the job, but Tennessee offers bigger profile, more money, bigger budget, and a chance for annual revenge against Texas. I'd make the call just to see.

From there, sure, try Beard or Byington, but more realistically...
•Grant McCasland at Texas Tech
•Ryan Odom at VCU
•Mike Morrell at UNC-Asheville
•Alan Huss at High Point
•Griff Aldrich at Longwood
•Ben McCollum at Drake
•Bucky McMillan at Samford

Those aren't sexy names and they don't have piles and piles of success, but they are what the list probably looks like after big (unlikely) names.

Kentucky having to go the Mark Pope route has tempered my expectations.
 
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cncchris33 said:
That's just it though, Byington didn't do anything with Stackhouse's mess. In the modern world of college basketball, a new coach almost starts from scratch, which is much easier, and in fact, preferable when you can lure in any transfer you can land. Byington has a completely new team. It isn't like he's taking Stackhouse's leftovers and moving mountains with them. That entire team transferred out and Byington brought in 13 entirely new players (11 transfers and 2 FR).

Now, credit to him for making them into a competitive team, but it's hardly proof he can build a program. And don't get me wrong, he'd be near the top of my realistic candidate list, as well, but because I don't think we'll pursue Beard due to baggage, Otzelberger isn't leaving Iowa St. for Tennessee, Bruce Pearl is a pipe dream, etc.

For me, if we are going to aim high, Shaka Smart seems to have figured things out at Marquette and only makes $3 million. His postseason record is concerning, but he's improved by one round each year at Marquette. He may not take the job, but Tennessee offers bigger profile, more money, bigger budget, and a chance for annual revenge against Texas. I'd make the call just to see.

From there, sure, try Beard or Byington, but more realistically...
•Grant McCasland at Texas Tech
•Ryan Odom at VCU
•Mike Morrell at UNC-Asheville
•Alan Huss at High Point
•Griff Aldrich at Longwood
•Ben McCollum at Drake
•Bucky McMillan at Samford

Those aren't sexy names and they don't have piles and piles of success, but they are what the list probably looks like after big (unlikely) names.

Kentucky having to go the Mark Pope route has tempered my expectations.
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It probably doesn’t matter, but Shaka following Barnes AGAIN would be awkward.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
The chances are slim to none but I could see DW making an offer to Jay Wright.

However, he hates the current state of NIL and I don’t see him leaving a comfy job to deal with the drama that comes with it.
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Wright is a northeast guy and his family has called Philly home forever, he loves his new TV gig, and he got out of coaching for precisely what is only going to get worse as we go along. Jay was a program builder with a recruit-and-develop system, building teams with players that stayed and grew together. There isn't enough money to make him deal with the mess the college game is becoming.
 
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A curious thing that the Bruce crowd seems to forget or overlook is that out of 9 potential NCAATs at Auburn, he's made it to the second weekend just one time.

I understand the one time he broke through they went to the FF, but if Rick had Bruce's NCAAT resume at Tennessee the same people screaming for Bruce to return would be bashing the hell out of Rick for not being consistent enough in the tournament.
 
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05_never_again said:
A curious thing that the Bruce crowd seems to forget or overlook is that out of 9 potential NCAATs at Auburn, he's made it to the second weekend just one time.

I understand the one time he broke through they went to the FF, but if Rick had Bruce's NCAAT resume at Tennessee the same people screaming for Bruce to return would be bashing the hell out of Rick for not being consistent enough in the tournament.
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Thank you.

Amazing how some people can’t comprehend this.

I enjoyed Bruce Pearl while he was here but he really left a bad taste in peoples’ mouths after the way he handled such a minor violation.

Personally, I’m over the guy and the past needs to stay in the past.

We need a brand new start whenever Barnes decides to hang it up.
 
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Golfprovol said:
Pearl is nowhere near the coach CRB is. Saying so is diminishing the fact Barnes is #2 all time in wins and by far the best MBB coach we have had.
Pearl is a POS who set the program back because of his stupidity. His antics on the sideline are embarrassing and rank right up there with Calipari.
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I haven't seen a Final Four yet. And doubt I will anytime soon. Pearl has taken Auburn there and most likely will again soon. Had he not got ousted by a dumb admin dept, the sky was the limit. I'd love to have the ring coach Cal has as well. No hate for Barnes, but would love to have Pearl back should he retire.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
Thank you.

Amazing how some people can’t comprehend this.

I enjoyed Bruce Pearl while he was here but he really left a bad taste in peoples’ mouths after the way he handled such a minor violation.

Personally, I’m over the guy and the past needs to stay in the past.

We need a brand new start whenever Barnes decides to hang it up.
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I would understand the nostalgic desire for him to return (I'd still disagree, but I would get it) if he was making deep, consistent NCAAT runs at Auburn and/or our program was struggling. Neither of those things is occurring, yet there's still people who seriously want him back.

Listen to Auburn fans talk about Pearl. They love him, but at tournament time they get really chirpy. Multiple regular seasons that were really good, but a lot of early NCAAT exits. That sounds familiar!
 
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Oldvoldad said:
I haven't seen a Final Four yet. And doubt I will anytime soon. Pearl has taken Auburn there and most likely will again soon. Had he not got ousted by a dumb admin dept, the sky was the limit. I'd love to have the ring coach Cal has as well. No hate for Barnes, but would love to have Pearl back should he retire.
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You are choosing to focus on the one FF. He's also failed to make out of the first weekend every other year they've made the NCAAT.

If Rick made it to a FF but got bounced in the first weekend in the 4 other NCAATs that he made, we'd have a lot of fans chirping.
 
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Jeez Louise. Bruce is about to turn 65. He’ll be on Medicare in a couple of months. There’s not going to be a Bruce Part Deux at UT. And it would open up a nightmare scenario of Steven F’g Pearl being handed the keys in just a couple of years. STOP!!!
 
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Golfprovol said:
Pearl is nowhere near the coach CRB is. Saying so is diminishing the fact Barnes is #2 all time in wins and by far the best MBB coach we have had.
Pearl is a POS who set the program back because of his stupidity. His antics on the sideline are embarrassing and rank right up there with Calipari.
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He had a damn bbq man. No other program got treated like we did over something so stupid. You think coach k had zero recruiting violations.
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
The BBQ wasn't the issue. It's what happened afterwards
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The oversimplification of events leading to Pearl's dismissal is willfully ignorant.

He didn't get fired for having a BBQ. He didn't even get fired for having junior recruits at the event. He got fired for lying about it to the NCAA when caught red-handed, attempting to cover it up by contacting a recruit and asking him and his family to lie about it, and then committing additional recruiting violations while the case was being reviewed. He dug his own grave, and then was still graciously paid $1 million to accept the university's decision while taking a huge dump on his assistant coaches and their families behind closed doors and doing nothing to negotiate adequate settlements for them.
 
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VolAmerican said:
Chris Beard and Chris Jans are the 2 most preferable from that list. Even if Danny White would hire his brother, I don't think that would be a good hire.
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It would be an awful hire. Not to mention the laziest coaching search of all time. I'm not even sure if he can legally hire his brother if he ultimately reports to him. That seems like a massive conflict of interests.
 
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