If we go 4 - 8 do we fire Butch? (merged)

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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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I propose we ban users who think, propose or even ask about coaches getting fired before their first season. Seriously, did you read what you typed before you posted and thought, "seems like a good point?" if this is a troll job, then mission accomplished. But if you were actually trying to make a point then you have miserably failed.
 
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If this was a 12 n 0 thread like the sunshine pumpers were posting last year at this time the op would be getting kudos n butch gets it.... instead he ask a worst case situation for ut n the decision the administration would be facing n he should be banned...

Volnation at its best..
 
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VolinMichigan said:
I propose we ban users who think, propose or even ask about coaches getting fired before their first season. Seriously, did you read what you typed before you posted and thought, "seems like a good point?" if this is a troll job, then mission accomplished. But if you were actually trying to make a point then you have miserably failed.
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Hi Volnation,

Some confessions. I started this thread because I was hoping to create controversy / generate some fiery discussion in the off-season. If I'm honest, it's been a little slow, and I wanted to speed things up a bit. I guess that means I was trolling because I was trying to get a reaction. I thought it was far enough out from the start of the season to be that provocative. But, it seems people have taken this very seriously. Including Fade.

Butch is pretty much killing it right now. I don't know what that will mean come September, but he is outkicking his coverage right now. Long may he reign. Just win, baby.
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VolinMichigan, I thought I was teeing up some of the creative element of VN to have a field day. People took it way too seriously though. Some lol moments, but far more angst unfortunately.

We're just a traumatized fan base right now. Layla's Husband and Barbara's son have left us in Volmaggeddon.
 
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92volalum said:
If this was a 12 n 0 thread like the sunshine pumpers were posting last year at this time the op would be getting kudos n butch gets it.... instead he ask a worst case situation for ut n the decision the administration would be facing n he should be banned...

Volnation at its best..
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I doubt that. Too many posters, myself included who would say 12-0 was too unrealistic even if remotely possible. However, maybe the OP was too shy and should have said if we go 0-12, should we then fire the UT itself and move the entire student body to Alabama. Why go halfway if you're going to speculate about more negativism for our university, go the full monty instead. Knowhutimen?
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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Awful post
 
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Tennessee won't be firing anyone in the near future, due to financial woes....so, no we won't fire Jones if we finish 4-8.....but 4-8 is a real possibility for 2013. The last 7-8 years should be enough evidence that the Vols will need at least 4 years under Jones to truly compete for the SEC.
 
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Vol4life25 said:
OP don't take what people are saying to heart. I think they are freaking out about the idea of going 4-8 more then anything.

But I don't think he will be fired his first year no matter what his record is.
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No, I think we're actually freaking out at the absurdity/stupidity of this thread and the mentality it took to start it.
 
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photovol said:
Tennessee won't be firing anyone in the near future, due to financial woes....so, no we won't fire Jones if we finish 4-8.....but 4-8 is a real possibility for 2013. The last 7-8 years should be enough evidence that the Vols will need at least 4 years under Jones to truly compete for the SEC.
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I think we will have a rather decent 2013 season. It will be the 2014 season that kicks our patootie. We loose too much after 2013 and not enough proven or even unproven depth to make up for it.
 
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UTAD is currently paying two buyouts , plus this thread is ridiculous. You know it's the red ink thing. :loco: :crazy: :crazy: :bad::bad:
 
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Vol4life25 said:
Lets say Mark Richt won a NC while he was at Georgia, and this year he went 5-7. And Georgia fired him. Then hired someone that coached there for one year and left for "Insert team here", then hired a coach that went 6-7, 5-7, and 5-7.

What would you think of Georgia's decision?
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Fulmer didn't just go 5-7. He had stopped competing with the top SEC programs on the field and in recruiting. He was annually getting blown out by the top teams in the SEC... not just beaten... completely and totally outclassed FAR beyond any difference in talent. Though any difference in talent was also Fulmer's responsibility. The players he did get weren't being effectively developed. It was routinely stated that players coming out of UT into the NFL were not "coached up".

Remember this. Kiffin took the scraps left by Fulmer and made both the UF and Bama games competitive. He was forced to start a QB that was a head case and two 265 lb walk ons on the OL. Kiffin for all of his flaws was a MUCH better gameday coach than Fulmer.

Fulmer had lost control of his team off the field as well. UT filled the police blotters with football players getting into trouble. That DIRECTLY indicates a disrespect for Fulmer. Kiffin and Dooley spent a lot of time cleaning that mess up. Kiffin took a hard line and ran off some good players as well as bad ones in order to purge the deeply rooted problems. (BTW, I resent you making me say nice things about Kiffin:)).

And to repeat, he was no longer getting elite recruits. He was getting some guys who could stay in school and eligible. Then he was getting talented guys with all kinds of problems that other schools chose not to deal with like Morley and Vinson. Both elite athletes... that couldn't stay eligible.

Parents and recruits saw what was happening at UT and avoided the Vols.

Question: Think about it? Why does every Rival fan make fun of us for fireing Fulmer?

Answer: Because it was a dumb decision.
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"Every Rival fan" doesn't do that. I have yet to encounter a single rival fan that does that. They DID mock UT over the constant off the field problems under Fulmer. And even if they did what you say... why should we pay attention to people who actually benefit from UT being down? They also didn't pay nearly as much attention to what was happening as we do.

And if you would take your orange glasses off, you would get it.
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You either can't or won't remember the problems with the program under Fulmer then want to imply someone else can't see clearly?

I don't have "orange glasses" on here. Simple... straight forward... rational:

Fulmer deserved to be fired. He failed and was going down hill. Things were NOT improving. He had not been able to recruit elite linemen in sufficient numbers for several years before being fired.

Kiffin was a lot of glitter and considered a good hire by many. He culled some players to restore discipline. He finished Fulmer's mess of a class as best he could... which wasn't well. He then recruited some pretty good players before leaving. He had no loyalty or class and left UT in a bad situation.

The best candidates for the job after CLK passed because they recognized how bad the roster was going to be for the next two seasons. UT took a swing with a guy who never would have been considered under better circumstances. The reasons he got the job were probably his pedigree and recruiting connections. Saban recommended him. He was considered an up-and-comer by many. He failed and was fired.


Just because the two subsequent hires did not work out does NOT mean that firing Fulmer was the wrong answer. Because of the direction of the program and his refusal to change, it was absolutely the right decision. I was one of the last to defend the idea that Fulmer should get a chance after the 2005 and 2008 debacles to turn the ship around. But when he was finally let go... it was definitely time.
 
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photovol said:
Tennessee won't be firing anyone in the near future, due to financial woes....so, no we won't fire Jones if we finish 4-8.....but 4-8 is a real possibility for 2013. The last 7-8 years should be enough evidence that the Vols will need at least 4 years under Jones to truly compete for the SEC.
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Posts like this make me think that some of you are wanting the new coach to fail. SMH
 
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sjt18 said:
Fulmer didn't just go 5-7. He had stopped competing with the top SEC programs on the field and in recruiting. He was annually getting blown out by the top teams in the SEC... not just beaten... completely and totally outclassed FAR beyond any difference in talent. .
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After reading the first few sentences of your manifesto I didnt need to read any further. If you cant get your facts correct then no reason to waste anyone's time.

He was fired in 2009. So winning the SEC East in 08 and going the the SECCG is getting "blown out". Yeah, your lack of UT and fb history is only surpassed by your lack of understanding the game. There's a special place in Walmart for you.
 
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GreveHaller said:
After reading the first few sentences of your manifesto I didnt need to read any further. If you cant get your facts correct then no reason to waste anyone's time.

He was fired in 2009. So winning the SEC East in 08 and going the the SECCG is getting "blown out". Yeah, your lack of UT and fb history is only surpassed by your lack of understanding the game. There's a special place in Walmart for you.
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He was fired in 08 not 09 and sec east in 07 maybe walmart can help you.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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:puke5:
 
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KBVol said:
No, I think we're actually freaking out at the absurdity/stupidity of this thread and the mentality it took to start it.
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One day later and I have no lifeforce...my daughter had to open a jar of olives for me
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GreveHaller said:
After reading the first few sentences of your manifesto I didnt need to read any further. If you cant get your facts correct then no reason to waste anyone's time.

He was fired in 2009. So winning the SEC East in 08 and going the the SECCG is getting "blown out". Yeah, your lack of UT and fb history is only surpassed by your lack of understanding the game. There's a special place in Walmart for you.
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He backed into that game and everyone knows it. He was beaten convincingly by a Cal team that proved to be pretty mediocre finishing 7-6 overall with a bowl win vs AF and 3-6 in the Pac 10. UF beat him 59-20 in a game where he was completely outcoached... and the game wasn't even as close as the score. Bama beat him 41-17 in another game he was never in. UGA was a good win but the schedule was weak besides that.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my "facts" if you have the courage to actually look at facts. I have nothing against Fulmer. I wanted him to succeed and hope that all fans will put his entire career in perspective. He deserves honor for what he accomplished overall. But at the point he was fired... it was time for him to go. The program was NOT going to progress under his leadership. The wheels had come off completely and he refused to accept that he had to change. His response was "we've won alot of games doing what we're doing". Well, he wasn't winning games any more. He had to go unless you think he is more important that the success of the program itself.
 
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