If we go 4 - 8 do we fire Butch? (merged)

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OP, no way.

You give a coach 2-3 years at least. Unless they go 0-12, 1-11; you give them a chance to develop players and get settled in.
 
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This thread is so dumb it hurts.

Create controversy? Fire up discussion? We're finally in a good place football-wise and then comes a thread out of nowhere about firing Butch.

I got a chuckle when I first read the term, but it's true - we really do shoot our wounded.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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I think we should fire you as a fan for making a hypothetical record and firing thread for a guy yet to coach a game here.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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The days of U.T. firing a coach due to his win/loss record are over. A coach may get fired for violations or for off the field incidents but we can't afford to keep paying former coaches who have been fired for their win/loss records.


The way to get rid of a coach is to let him ride his contract out and not re-new his contract.
 
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Posts like this are just made to incite the crowd. NOBODY is that stupid to be serious. Could be a 14 yr old out of schooler laughing when someone fires back. Attention seekers.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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I nominate this for Dumbest Post of the Offseason.

Sanctions would definitely change this, but 2 things if you fire a coach before letting him get ATLEAST 2 years in with his own recruits 1) you are out of your mind 2) no notable or up and coming coach will touch your program

:hi:
 
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GO VOLS..
GO BIG ORANGE ... :rock:
 
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Rudy123 said:
The days of U.T. firing a coach due to his win/loss record are over. A coach may get fired for violations or for off the field incidents but we can't afford to keep paying former coaches who have been fired for their win/loss records.


The way to get rid of a coach is to let him ride his contract out and not re-new his contract.
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Fulmer's buyout is either done or will be done soon. If Jones does not move the program forward in 3 years then he will almost certainly be fired. IMHO, it is critical for him to do something more than the six wins everyone talks about this year. In the next 3 years, this is by far the most experienced and physically developed roster he's going to have. In 2014 and 2015, he will be heavily dependent on the talent of Fr and Sophs.

Dooley's 2012 class is unlikely to contribute many really good players to those rosters. Five of the 11 4* players will be gone by then. I am not throwing stones at Jones for the '13 class but it really doesn't look like the kind of class that you build a great team on.

After '13, the vast majority of the most talented guys on the roster will be underclassmen. It does not need to be as bad as Dooley's first two years but it will be very tough. If Jones cannot get wins out of this roster then my confidence will be very low that he can get them out of the next two. Three losing seasons will cost him his job.
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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Stop it stop it. Are we REALLY in need of posting a thread---THAT badly?
 
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Eddie Vol Halen said:
Tennessee has never lost 8 games in a season. Some think this is not outside the realm of possibility in Coach Butch Jones's first year at the helm.

Do we fire Butch if he loses 8?

My personal feelings are he would have to be eating Dooley Wacky Bambacky to lose 8.

If we do lose 8 next year though, I think it is grounds to fire Hart (might as well include Cheek while we're at it), and the next's guys first job is to line up the next guy. CBJ have to win something special in Y2 to carry-on.

We let Dooley carry-on after the KY loss, and I think we all agree it was a huge, huge mistake.
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This has got to be one of the dumbest questions that I have ever heard! I bet some Bama fans wanted to can Saban in his first year for losing six! In three or four years if he loses 8 then we will discuss canning him but lets let him coach his first game first!
 
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sjt18 said:
He backed into that game and everyone knows it. .
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Congrats. In one sentence you managed to again prove yourself ridiculousness. In just one sentence.

Its doesnt matter if he backed, he fronted, he sidewayed into a SECCG.....he got there. You still have to win games. There are no * for *backed into game, bonehead. You play the game cause you got there. You won, others lost.

And if you have to resort to "everyone knows" it only confirms that you cannot prove your point so its the last resort go-to statement.

yeah, I got the years wrong. Off by one but it doesnt matter. He took our team to the SECCG which makes your initial assumption just as dumb now as it did earlier. Go back to window licking.
 
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sjt18 said:
He backed into that game and everyone knows it. He was beaten convincingly by a Cal team that proved to be pretty mediocre finishing 7-6 overall with a bowl win vs AF and 3-6 in the Pac 10. UF beat him 59-20 in a game where he was completely outcoached... and the game wasn't even as close as the score. Bama beat him 41-17 in another game he was never in. UGA was a good win but the schedule was weak besides that.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with my "facts" if you have the courage to actually look at facts. I have nothing against Fulmer. I wanted him to succeed and hope that all fans will put his entire career in perspective. He deserves honor for what he accomplished overall. But at the point he was fired... it was time for him to go. The program was NOT going to progress under his leadership. The wheels had come off completely and he refused to accept that he had to change. His response was "we've won alot of games doing what we're doing". Well, he wasn't winning games any more. He had to go unless you think he is more important that the success of the program itself.
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I agree with you 18... I have great respect and appreciation for what Fulmer did for the program. But he had lost control and focus and it was time to move on IMO. The problem was with who made the decision, how he handled it and the 2 fools (each for completely different reason) he hired to replace him.
 
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Fulmer won over 84% of his games with Cutcliffe as OC. When Cutcliffe wasn't here CPF barely won 60%. Phils last 4 seasons summed it up nicely: 5-7 with Sanders, then two 10-win seasons with Cut, then 5-7 with Clawson.

We should have doubled Cut's salary and named a street after him...and/or named him co-head coach.
 
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GreveHaller said:
After reading the first few sentences of your manifesto I didnt need to read any further. If you cant get your facts correct then no reason to waste anyone's time.

He was fired in 2009. So winning the SEC East in 08 and going the the SECCG is getting "blown out". Yeah, your lack of UT and fb history is only surpassed by your lack of understanding the game. There's a special place in Walmart for you.
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If you're going to call someone out for not getting their facts straight, you should at least get YOUR facts straight. He was fired in 08, not 09. And we won the east in 07, not 08.
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KBVol said:
I agree with you 18... I have great respect and appreciation for what Fulmer did for the program. But he had lost control and focus and it was time to move on IMO. The problem was with who made the decision, how he handled it and the 2 fools (each for completely different reason) he hired to replace him.
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Can't believe I'm agreeing with both KBVol and sjt18 in a thread, but hey, it's a strange sort of day. Fulmer did great things here, but the people who keep pointing to the 2007 SECCG are grasping at straws. There was a pattern of diminishing returns over Fulmer's last several years and there was no evidence to suggest he was improving the program or gaining any ground on our rivals.

It was tragic that the guy making the next hiring decisions was someone as inept as Mike Hamilton, but he got his job largely because Phillip Fulmer wanted him.
 
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