‘23 IL WR Carnell Tate (Ohio State commit)

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For WR's I'd like Kasper,Mizzell,Williams and Brown from Ohio.Haven't watched anything on Rogers yet though.
 
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Peytons_Forehead said:
I think it may be better to say that faster is different rather than better. For instance, a curl or comeback can negate some of the impact speed can have since they break the WR’s momentum and have the turn back towards the LOS. On a go route, drag, slant, or other routes where the receiver can run for a long stretch without changing direction, speed is more impactful. Presumably, coordinators are designing plays so that your fast deep threat is running mostly fades, posts, etc.

One complicating factor to your chart, then, is the relative efficiency of different routes. What we can infer is that running deep routes is no more or less efficient than other types of throws in a per-route basis, which makes sense because if it were more efficient, teams would throw it deep more until defenses adjust and deep throws lost their relative efficiency as the middle and short throws open up. Additionally, it forces the defense to have different types of DB’s- if you have a 4.5 40, 6’4 220 type receiver the defense needs a bigger DB than if you have a 4.3 40, 5’11 190 guy. Having different builds at WR can help OC’s scheme up mismatches.

So while it probably is true to suggest that players can be efficient and productive regardless of 40 time, it’s also probably true to suggest that 40 times do matter to the extent that your offense needs a long speed receiver specifically.

If you’re the Jags with practically nobody, you take whoever can be most dominant. If you’re the titans with AJ Brown and Robert Woods, you’re looking for somebody who brings something different than those guys.

TLDR Version: faster WRs aren’t strictly better, just different which can be better in its own way.
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And with the relative distributions on the team it is likely that u will have one very fast receiver stretching the defense, requiring deep safety help, which would lower the propensity to throw there... so it cancels out?
 
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Just nothing jumped out to me,watched a couple of his game highlights but kick returns had more highlights than receiving on the ones I watched. Looked good but if I just saw these and was asked his ranking I would have said 4star, good but not game changing. Again, just my opinion and I never claimed to be a WR guru.
 
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INDEFENSE said:
Just nothing jumped out to me,watched a couple of his game highlights but kick returns had more highlights than receiving on the ones I watched. Looked good but if I just saw these and was asked his ranking I would have said 4star, good but not game changing. Again, just my opinion and I never claimed to be a WR guru.
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Not a crazy thought. I mean, it's not wild to think a great athlete (top 10 athlete in CA in recent memory according to a 247 West Coast analyst) that plays both off/def in HS may not excel at a certain position. Some thought he might be a two-position (off + def) type of player. It's possible he's a bit of a tweener, but still really good at a position. Maybe just not a 5* talent at that one position.

It's all good though. Transfers Velus and Payton were 3*s and Heupel turned them into studs...and that's not even to speak of Tillman under Hype(!). This guy will wreak havoc because Heupel's offense will maximize whatever potential he does have on the offensive side.

And, hey, IF he suddenly decides to be an edge rusher again and can kill it there, the more power to him (and us)!
 
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Devo182 said:
Not a crazy thought. I mean, it's not wild to think a great athlete (top 10 athlete in CA in recent memory according to a 247 West Coast analyst) that plays both off/def in HS may not excel at a certain position. Some thought he might be a two-position (off + def) type of player. It's possible he's a bit of a tweener, but still really good at a position. Maybe just not a 5* talent at that one position.

It's cool though. Velus and Payton were 3*s and Heupel turned them into studs. This guy will wreak havoc because Heupel's offense will maximize whatever potential he does have on the offensive side.

And, hey, IF he suddenly decides to be an edge rusher again and can kill it there, the more power to him (and us)!
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Are you talking about bru or Tate?
 
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KnoxtotheBoro20 said:
Are you talking about bru or Tate?
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Bru 🤣😅

My bad...

Never seen Tate's film...but the level of schools after him...he must be very good whatever it is. Oh and same thing applies...whether he's truly a 5* or 4* or even 3*, if Hype wants and gets him, all he'll do is merely reach his max potential and likely kill it here. That's what we do now.
 
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OK, after watching Rogers, he may have the best hands out of all of them so that's 5 on my list.Give many any combo of four off that list and our shiny 5star QB will be very happy. Now to the OL.........................
 
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Geaux_Vols said:
Ha. It’s this lady that does doodles of current players and recruits. I actually kinda like the style, and she doesn’t seem to be doing them for Twitter clout or anything. She’s good in my book!
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I thought it was from that creep that used to put one out simultaneously with your good ones
 
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Ten_Titans said:
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Going off of this, I don't think it's asinine to say 40 time doesn't matter. 40 times are like the SATs. The fact that you can train specifically for the drill and significantly improve your time pretty much indicates you probably aren't measuring the thing you are trying to measure.
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The two best WRs in football, Davante Adams and Cooper Kupp, ran 4.6 - 4.7 at their combines. Jerry Rice was also in that range. Getting open and catching the ball is the most important part of being a WR. Not being the fastest guy on the field
 
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GetEmVols said:
Nico chose us over Georgia, bama, Florida, and Oregon. Are there bigger names wanting Tate or something?
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Ohio State, which their receivers coach is probably the best in College football at the moment with what he’s done last 3 seasons. But I think we could land him based off Nico connection just won’t be easy obviously
 
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