I'll have to hand it to CBJ - he knows how to handle a loss

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photovol said:
This brings up an interesting thought....has there ever been a team that's had as dramatic of a fall from grace as UT has had?



I think this will depend on when and if UT becomes relevant once again....the clock is
still ticking
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Notre Dame
 
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tm3 said:
Anyone capable of putting aside emotion and denial will see that sjt is making a very good point. CBJ & co did not have a great coaching day at Autzen. It is too early to condemn, but until some substantive evidence to the contrary surfaces it is entirely appropriate to question as sjt is doing.

And, no, substantive evidence does not consist of taking a job that quadruples your salary, wearing an orange tie, playing with bricks, or saying good things in a press conference.
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Oregon is #2 in the nation! What did you expect? Has dawned on you that he
Maybe getting a grasp on where our team is during a game against agood team?
 
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ScreaminVolHawkins said:
cant ya just tell? cant ya?! well, cant ya?!

thats the closest your post comes to a counterpoint. glad you "feel" good, but thats not enough. not that there isnt more, im just judging your post is all
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Keep looking at it your way and I will look at it mine.

Jones has been a winner everywhere he's gone. He brings that "swagger" and it is contagious, you feel it in his presence, the recruits do too. He believes in his program, his coaches and his players. They truly like the man. One could never really feel that way with the previous program, he had no personality and no track record of winning. He didn't fit in here and his results proved it.

You might want to ask yourself why the previous coach couldn't keep any of his assistant coaches around? Think it was because they had better offers elsewhere or was it the man they were working under? I don't know for sure, but if the Boss sucks and you can go elsewhere and work, you will. Jones has been able to keep his coaches, that's a plus right there.

But that's all pretty much conjecture on my end.

The final judgment will be rendered by the production on the field and what you or I have to say has little to do with that final arbiter.
 
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37L1 said:
Why all this support for Dooley and none for Jones at this point by some of y'all?

Jones lost big to Oregon, wow, I'm shocked. . . I'd be more shocked if we had won against that team in their house.

The difference between that previous coach and Jones is that with Jones you can just feel that our team will show steady improvement in their play and in the W-L column while with the previous leadership it was just a steady decline from mediocre in his first year to downright stinkin' up the joint in his last. That was the main reason why he was given his walking papers. There was no improvement, only unacceptable losses.

Can't you tell that Jones will make the VOLS a winner by now? The attitude is different, the enthusiasm level is high, the direction is positive and while we got our butt's handed to us, no one was singled out for blame/scapegoating and the direction was "We'll be back!"

It's way too soon to condemn this coach, our players and this program.
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Winners have a path and plan on how to win. And in turn that is what they do. A head coach that has won 4 conference championships in 6 seasons is going to be physically ill losing like Dooley did every week. To win like a champion you have to play like one....before this team can do that though they have to take that mentality. Mental part is as important as the physical part if not more so.
 
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UTK said:
You'd think we'd be used to it by now.
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Nobody like to lose

But its more in the way you handle it

You can get upset, poison trees, and go to jail. Leaving no doubt that you have taken your fanaticism too far

Or you can say good game, we need some improvements, we will get you next time
 
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Well he certainly knows the cliches, hyperbolic, and bravado to use...doesn't mean he doesn't have other skills (time will tell) but those are what he excels at....
 
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Mark Helfrich came across as an arrogant d**k to me when I watched his post game. I'm getting the idea that those Ducks are letting this success get to them.
 
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37L1 said:
Keep looking at it your way and I will look at it mine.
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First of all, I never said I disagree with you, I was just pointing out that you said nothing but what a cheerleader would say.

37L1 said:
Jones has been a winner everywhere he's gone. He brings that "swagger" and it is contagious, you feel it in his presence, the recruits do too. He believes in his program, his coaches and his players. They truly like the man.
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I can agree that he is enthusiastic.

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One could never really feel that way with the previous program, he had no personality
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So what? see Nick Saban

37L1 said:
You might want to ask yourself why the previous coach couldn't keep any of his assistant coaches around? Think it was because they had better offers elsewhere or was it the man they were working under? I don't know for sure, but if the Boss sucks and you can go elsewhere and work, you will. Jones has been able to keep his coaches, that's a plus right there.
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He has not kept anyone at UT longer than Dooley did. Im not saying he will not. You have said more already though than your first post thats all i was saying
 
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ScreaminVolHawkins said:
Im not saying ur a jackass, just that calling them bad decisions is jackassery. if i im playing odds in a game, and i am statistically favored so i take them and still lose, its not a bad decision. hindsight does not define a bad decision. judging the conditions at the time and weighing all available options, then you can say it was a bad decision. but you did not, and most people do not. you are a spade
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I think you're taking it as I am attacking the people who made the decisions when I'm not....and yes it's still a bad decision if you lose.

I'm not saying they're idiots and I could have done the job better, what I am saying is that now we have the benefit of hindsight we all see many things could have been handled better.
 
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photovol said:
This brings up an interesting thought....has there ever been a team that's had as dramatic of a fall from grace as UT has had?



I think this will depend on when and if UT becomes relevant once again....the clock is still ticking
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Vanderbilt, Pitt and Alabama all experienced far more pronounced falls from grace than Tennessee. Snicker all you want, but Vanderbilt was a top-10 program during the first quarter of the twentieth century; they posted a 165-45-15 record during that period for a winning percentage of .76667, good enough for 10th best nationally (see I-A Winning Percentage 1900-1925). That is the context against which Neyland ultimately flipped the field on the Commodes. You really shouldn’t need quantitative data to know how bad Vandy has been since then, but, from 1926-2012, they posted a 365-514-31 record for a winning percentage of .41813, which is 97th nationally (I-A Winning Percentage 1926-2012).

Pitt was a national power during Neyland’s era. Under Jock Sutherland’s direction, Pittsburgh “appeared in four Rose Bowl games (1928, 1930, 1933, and 1937) and turned down a bid for the 1938 Rose Bowl. Sutherland's teams were named "National Champions" by various selectors for nine different seasons including 1925, 1927, 1929, 1931, 1933, 1934, 1936, 1937, and 1938” (Jock Sutherland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia). After Sutherland moved on to the NFL in the 1940s, Pitt absolutely cratered and was a college football backwater for decades until Johnny Majors rode into town and led them to the 1976 national championship. They remained a national power under Jackie Sherrill’s direction.

Frank Thomas was the coach at Alabama when General Neyland fielded his great teams of 1938-40. Over a fifteen-year career (1931-1946), Thomas compiled a “record of 115–24–7 and won four Southeastern Conference titles while his teams allowed an average of just 6.3 points per game. Thomas's 1934 Alabama team completed a 10–0 season with a victory over Stanford in the Rose Bowl and was named national champion by a number of selectors” (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Thomas_(American_football)). His 1945 Alabama team was also undefeated and won the 1946 Rose Bowl.

As recently as 1952, Alabama was 10-2, but two years later, the Crimson Tide began what was, by far, the worst 3-4 year period in their program’s history. From the end of 1954 until the midpoint of the 1956 season, Alabama suffered through a 17-game losing streak (yes, you read that correctly) and, overall, a 20-game winless streak. ‘Bama failed to win a game in 1955 (0-10) and came no closer to victory that year than a 15-point loss to Vandy. Seven of those 17 losses were by shutouts and none of these whitewash defeats were by fewer than 20 points. Alabama amassed an aggregate record of 4-24-2 in 1955-1957. During those years, UT shut out ‘Bama three consecutive times by a combined score of 58-0 (Alabama Historical Scores). Furthermore, Tennessee fans who remember the painful 11-game losing streak (1971-1982) which we suffered at the hands of Bear Bryant will be delighted to know that Alabama won only one game against the Big Orange in the 13-year period from 1948-1960 (Tennessee vs Alabama 1948-1960). We were 9-1-3 against Alabama during that period.

So, my fellow Big Orange fans, things can and have gone a lot worse for a number of programs than what we have suffered through for the last 5-6 years.
 
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BennisDrewer said:
This brings up an interesting thought....has there ever been a team that's had as dramatic of a fall from grace as UT has had?
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Pretty much every good team has gone through a "fall from grace" period at one point or another. Alabama, Georgia, Nebraska, Penn State, Notre Dame, FSU, Miami, are a few that come to mind. Ours will be over soon hopefully. Biggest fall from grace in my opinion though has to be SMU.
 
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BennisDrewer said:
This brings up an interesting thought....has there ever been a team that's had as dramatic of a fall from grace as UT has had?
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It would be more difficult to name one that hasn't. The exception being Oregon, as this is their first time around.
 
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MedicT said:
It would be more difficult to name one that hasn't. The exception being Oregon, as this is their first time around.
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Like I said I know every great team has hit a low spot every now and again.....What I meant is it just seemed like UT's lows happened suddenly and abruptly, there wasn't a gentle downward slope....more like a Terror Tower fall haha....Then again I'm sure being a UT fan makes it seem worse than the others.
 
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BennisDrewer said:
Like I said I know every great team has hit a low spot every now and again.....What I meant is it just seemed like UT's lows happened suddenly and abruptly, there wasn't a gentle downward slope....more like a Terror Tower fall haha....Then again I'm sure being a UT fan makes it seem worse than the others.
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No doubt about that.:hi:
 
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The "gentle downward slope" occurred during the second half of Fulmer's tenure, more specifically 2002-2008. The full-scale demolition project occurred during the Kiffin-Dooley years.
 
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MedicT said:
Those of us who have been walking The Hill for decades, not years, have seen so many ups and downs (pun intended) just like this one understand what is taking place. This ain't our first rodeo. Those that can't stomach the ride need to get off the train. I think that is the most cliche's I have used at one time since I last unbuckled a chin strap. LOL:whistling:
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:good!::salute:
 
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CountVolcula said:
If only our fans knew how to handle a loss
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What do you mean? We have a snap and clear mentality. We snap at everyone we see and all rational beings soon clear out of our general vicinity.

On the bright side, I am almost over our 1981 loss to Georgia. If they would just stop playing Herschel running over Bates clips before every UT vs GA telecast . . .
 
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