Imagine Heup's Record if...

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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
You were given a pretty clear example of one of the biggest plays of the game- Kitselman's TD. There was a clearly uncalled Illegal Motion...do your own research. Educate yourself to other perspectives. You think Georgia fans were saying, "man...we sure are getting every call tonight, aren't we?" Geesh.
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And I gave you and this thread numerous examples. The reason you can’t educate me is you don’t have enough examples. You especially don’t have any examples of calls that were reviewed, and then later called even though a penalty was never actually called in the field if play. . you can’t Supply numerous examples and then tell me I should do it? That is weak. If you’re argument is so strong then educate all of us. For the record that’s called a non-deductive argument.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
And I gave you and this thread numerous examples. The reason you can’t educate me is you don’t have enough examples. You especially don’t have any examples of calls that were reviewed, and then later called even though a penalty was never actually called in the field if play. . you can’t Supply numerous examples and then tell me I should do it? That is weak. If you’re argument is so strong then educate all of us. For the record that’s called a non-deductive argument.
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was that a bad non call that clearly benefitted Tennessee? I just want to see you say that
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I agree with this sentiment. They can 100% control all of those things. I think Heup needs to be more of a disciplinarian to stop the undisciplined behavior.

What they can’t control is the refs and when they choose to enforce rules differently than the precedent or what the actual rule says and then there’s zero correction, at least one we can all see in real time. The 2 examples are the facemask that wasnt and the 12th man review. Both were ridiculous calls that should have easily been overturned or not enforced to begin with. This is inconsistency by the refs at the highest level that directly impacts the game.

And if anyone says it happens both ways, please provide a specific example.
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Was that the same crew that was suspended a few weeks back for how badly they called a game? Don't remember the teams that were playing, but I know one crew was suspended for calling such a bad game.
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
Was that the same crew that was suspended a few weeks back for how badly they called a game? Don't remember the teams that were playing, but I know one crew was suspended for calling such a bad game.
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I don't really keep up with the crews that much. But the head ref has been a part of multiple bad losses and is actually Bama grad. Im sure I could find the stat that I saw where he had been a part of some of UT's most recent losses, but i would have to dig deep because its been almost a week now since I saw that.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I don't really keep up with the crews that much. But the head ref has been a part of multiple bad losses and is actually Bama grad. Im sure I could find the stat that I saw where he had been a part of some of UT's most recent losses, but i would have to dig deep because its been almost a week now since I saw that.
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You think he's cheating us intentionally? It's really hard to argue with someone starting with such a crazy premise, like 9/11 truthers or similar nonsense...
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
You think he's cheating us intentionally? It's really hard to argue with someone starting with such a crazy premise, like 9/11 truthers or similar nonsense...
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I don't think he is cheating us intentionally, but when the face mask penalty was reviewed, how could they not see that it didn't happen? Even the broadcast crew pointed it out. On the 12 men on the field call, I couldn't tell if he was still in the field of play or not, but when the replay was shown, it sure looked like he was off the field. And one call I missed, and wasn't aware of it until I saw a clip yesterday; there should have been a false start called on Beck. He stumbled before the snap, then took a step back, nothing called. I realize some penalties just aren't seen, but the back judge was standing directly behind him. Can't miss that one. And really, can't say with any certainty that the correct calls would have given Tennessee a chance to win, but you can't argue against it would possibly changed the complexion of the game.
 
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papatomany said:
Actually, we got beat in the heads of the coaches. Our philosophy of attack, attack, attack became don't mess up, don't mess up, don't mess up, which gives the players absolutely no chance to succeed.
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My sentiments exactly. By not attacking you’re playing to not lose and then the other talented team takes advantage of the situation. This occurred on both sides of the ball last weekend and UGA took control and ran with it. Gotta take chances and if you get beat so be it but sitting back and waiting is not the way.
 
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I am in the minority here but I think Tennessee hasn't really had a lot of game killing calls this year. The game that I felt was the worse was a game we won (Florida). Even then, it was better officiated than past years.

I have seen a lot of SEC games this year that Tennessee wasn't a part of where the officiating has been terrible. So there probably is a systematic issue with officiating, I am just not sure it favors a particular team.

2021 and 2023 had some bad games that the OP called out and I kind of agree on.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
I agree with this sentiment. They can 100% control all of those things. I think Heup needs to be more of a disciplinarian to stop the undisciplined behavior.

What they can’t control is the refs and when they choose to enforce rules differently than the precedent or what the actual rule says and then there’s zero correction, at least one we can all see in real time. The 2 examples are the facemask that wasnt and the 12th man review. Both were ridiculous calls that should have easily been overturned or not enforced to begin with. This is inconsistency by the refs at the highest level that directly impacts the game.

And if anyone says it happens both ways, please provide a specific example.
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Yea, I don’t think they review personal foul calls (or pass interferenc) and why they don’t is a mystery - they still may have called the facemask because it looked like his had hit the face mask but clearly he never “grasped” the face mask. I think that call was just because the guys helmet came off…

I think the 12 men on the field penalty was one they have been waiting to call against us…we’ve used the late sub and slow walk off routine to force other teams to take a time out and I’m sure there have been complaints. The rules says the defense must initiate their substitution within 3 seconds but only states the referee should provide a reasonable amount of time for the defense to get off the field. We were clearly trying to force Georgia to waste a timeout and it backfired.

i think officiating needs to utilize more technology to reduce the impact of human error on games. There should be a much shorter list of what’s not reviewable. They need to have transmitters in the ball and utilize sensors for the goal line and the first down line. They should have HD cameras on the down marker to be able retview if the defense was in the neutral zone on the snap. We the TV viewers get to see each play in HD, slow motion from multiple angles. Plays like that face mask call should be reviewed by the officials with the same. Just my opinions of course
 
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bigorangepoppa said:
I don't think he is cheating us intentionally, but when the face mask penalty was reviewed, how could they not see that it didn't happen? Even the broadcast crew pointed it out. On the 12 men on the field call, I couldn't tell if he was still in the field of play or not, but when the replay was shown, it sure looked like he was off the field. And one call I missed, and wasn't aware of it until I saw a clip yesterday; there should have been a false start called on Beck. He stumbled before the snap, then took a step back, nothing called. I realize some penalties just aren't seen, but the back judge was standing directly behind him. Can't miss that one. And really, can't say with any certainty that the correct calls would have given Tennessee a chance to win, but you can't argue against it would possibly changed the complexion of the game.
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Facemasks aren't reviewed...Beck was clearly in motion, clear miss if you ask me, but there were 12 men on the field on . We have been milking that for a while and they've let us get away with it by just slow jogging (at best) but there has to be consistency in how that is called.

To me the sports fan world is ref complainers and non ref complainers...same people think their team got the wrong end of the stick in every game. And then there are the next level people who see absurd conspiracies. The first type is tiresome but the 2nd group should be laughed at.
 
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Carl Pickens said:
Those that think the refs did not have an impact on the outcome…..I get it… 💩 happens…..improvise…adapt…..overcome …. And all that other BS you heard your HS coach say…. But they did
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If you play someone and they score 5 times and in 4 of the five drives you stopped them in one way or another but bad calls by refs continued those drives…….you might have an argument that refs changed the outcome of the game.
 
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Power_Sweep_Vol said:
Excuses are for losers...I'm sure the same people cry here after every loss.
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I’m not in the conspiracy camp.
I’m in the “the refs are incompetent” camp.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that the refs are covered for by fans when they win. They make an unbelievable amount of bad calls every game with no oversight. The Georgia fans were right in the ole miss game. They were horrible in our game.
They will be horrible in the games this weekend.
And instead of oversight for an area that is obviously trash, the SEC fines any coach that complains.

There’s a reason the fans are complaining about Refs.
It’s because they suck.
 
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Tnphil said:
No other team but UT gets screwed by the refs....I watched football all day every Saturday and there's a lot of bad calls both ways.

I live by the saying I heard years ago....Losers make excuses, winners don't have to.
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Oh, **** off. You do not watch much football then. Most of the time it’s not solely on the refs, but there’s plenty of games where they impact it more than they should. Never understood this view point. It’s not an excuse. It’s an observation and problem to with the sport.
 
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BlinghamptonVol said:
He didn't also have to beat the refs?

2021:
Record: 7-6
Losses: Florida, Alabama, Georgia
Losses because of Refs: Pitt, Ole Miss, Purdue
Revised Record: 10-3

2022:
Record: 11-2
Losses: Georgia (rain), South Carolina (Michigan scouting, and the linebacker sabotage)
Revised Record: 11-2 (He was able to beat the refs this year)

2023:
Record: 9-4
Losses: Missouri, Georgia
Losses because of Refs: Florida, Alabama
Revised Record: 11-2

2024:
Record: 8-2
Losses because of Refs: Arkansas, Georgia
Revised Record: 10-0 (and probably ranked #1 in the country rn)

Heupel would easily be 42-7 (.857 winning percentage) at UT (with 2 easy wins upcoming). Because of SEC refs, he's 35-14. Imagine the boost to recruiting and resources. He'd be on the cusp of a Saban run.
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Are you seriously blaming the rain for the Georgia loss in ‘22? The score was 24-6 when it started raining. The weather affected UGA’s offense as much as, if not more than, Tennessee’s.
 
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While bad calls happen at every turn, we were not good enough to beat Georgia on a man to man level Saturday night. We've got to get bigger, stronger, and become actually mentally tough. They won because of their heart and culture. In their minds, they could not let Tennessee win. They would have been an embarrassment and a disgrace to their former teammates if we had walked out of Sanford Stadium with a win. When the Tennessee program feels like that to a man then we will be on our way to being taken seriously, both in conference, and around the nation. GoVols.
 
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