Imagine Heup's Record if...

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UTK said:
Oh, **** off. You do not watch much football then. Most of the time it’s not solely on the refs, but there’s plenty of games where they impact it more than they should. Never understood this view point. It’s not an excuse. It’s an observation and problem to with the sport.
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Not only watch it....but coached it for 34 years. So you **** off.

Excuses are for losers....winners don't have to........Now go make some more excuses.
 
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Tnphil said:
Not only watch it....but coached it for 34 years. So you **** off.

Excuses are for losers....winners don't have to........Now go make some more excuses.
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You coached for 34 years so you should know the difference between a good call & a bad call.

Sounds like you’re ignoring the bad calls that went against us.

It’s not making excuses, it’s called pointing out the obvious.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
You coached for 34 years so you should know the difference between a good call & a bad call.

Sounds like you’re ignoring the bad calls that went against us.

It’s not making excuses, it’s called pointing out the obvious.
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It goes both ways.....You must just look at it the Orange way. Good grief! Based on a lot of UT fans we've never lost a game.....we just got screwed by the refs. Wonder how many games we have won because the other team was screwed by the refs...See how it works.
 
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VolFreakJosh said:
You coached for 34 years so you should know the difference between a good call & a bad call.

Sounds like you’re ignoring the bad calls that went against us.

It’s not making excuses, it’s called pointing out the obvious.
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What's crazy is that you guys focus on the bad calls against us because of confirmation bias...look it up. Some of you guys are here complaining game after game, ignoring every positive call in our favor. Refs miss calls for both teams every game. Geesh
 
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This thread got me thinking:

Dan Mullen at Florida: 34-15
Josh Heupel at Tenn: 35-14

One is considered safe and secure and one of the best in the SEC. The other was probably fired too soon by Florida but seemingly wanted to be fired, which is bolstered by the fact he hasn’t even hinted at a possible return to coaching. Many don’t realize that had this playoff format been around while Mullen was at UF, he would have made the playoffs the first 3 of his 4 years.

I think it’s surprising how differently they’re thought of with near identical results.
 
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Jaws said:
This thread got me thinking:

Dan Mullen at Florida: 34-15
Josh Heupel at Tenn: 35-14

One is considered safe and secure and one of the best in the SEC. The other was probably fired too soon by Florida but seemingly wanted to be fired, which is bolstered by the fact he hasn’t even hinted at a possible return to coaching. Many don’t realize that had this playoff format been around while Mullen was at UF, he would have made the playoffs the first 3 of his 4 years.

I think it’s surprising how differently they’re thought of with near identical results.
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Both are suspect recruiters. Mullen was lazy. Heupel appears to be an iffy evaluator.
 
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cbrown said:
I'll admit there were some memorable bad calls in some of those losses, especially in 2021, but it cuts both ways sometimes. I think we could subtract one for the Alabama game in 2022. The officials called a phantom PI call on Alabama that allowed us to tie the game late. I would have lost my sh!t if they had called that on Tennessee.
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Phantom PI?

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VOLfrombama said:
I agree with this sentiment. They can 100% control all of those things. I think Heup needs to be more of a disciplinarian to stop the undisciplined behavior.

What they can’t control is the refs and when they choose to enforce rules differently than the precedent or what the actual rule says and then there’s zero correction, at least one we can all see in real time. The 2 examples are the facemask that wasnt and the 12th man review. Both were ridiculous calls that should have easily been overturned o tor not enforced to begin with. This is inconsistency by the refs at the highest level that directly impacts the game.

And if anyone says it happens both ways, please provide a specific examples
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The problem with supplying specific examples is that most of us aren't tallying such things. I remember half a dozen times this year saying out loud, "Oooooh, what a lousy call, but we'll take it." I couldn't possibly tell you the specifics of those plays; but we definitely benefitted. I don't think it's our imagination nor just our bias that historically more bad calls hurt us than help us, but to act like there are no bad calls (or non-calls) in our favor is silly.

This loss, however, is not on the refs. It's on the coaches and their scheme, or lack thereof. Get pressure on Beck and the refs don't even enter into the discussion.
 
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papatomany said:
The problem with supplying specific examples is that most of us aren't tallying such things. I remember half a dozen times this year saying out loud, "Oooooh, what a lousy call, but we'll take it." I couldn't possibly tell you the specifics of those plays; but we definitely benefitted. I don't think it's our imagination nor just our bias that historically more bad calls hurt us than help us, but to act like there are no bad calls (or non-calls) in our favor is silly.

This loss, however, is not on the refs. It's on the coaches and their scheme, or lack thereof. Get pressure on Beck and the refs don't even enter into the discussion.
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agree 100% with the last paragraph.

I never said the refs caused the Vols to lose anything though. In fact i never agreed with the op or the thread. What i did say is it affected last Saturday night.

I provided examples because I got challenged To do so by a melodramatic antagonist who responded to several of my posts. He went above and beyond to call people names and then when challenged, presented a strawman argument by saying Georgia had similar penalties as well. I never denied they had penaltues, only that they didn’t have any egregious penalties that should have never been called. Tennessee had 2 obvious ones.

What I did was point out, with receipts, is that two specific calls went against Tennessee that were mistakes or even unprecedented (facemask that wasnt, 12th man that was). The facemask was never grasped and the helmet came off incidentally, extending a drive. The 12th man call has yet to be called like that this season and they even misquoted the 3 second rule on top of that, making that enforcement completely unprecedented.

Then to add insult to injury I added some of the no calls that further enabled the opposing team to continue their offensive play. I didn’t even talk about the no call Arion Smith throwing a punch right in front of the ref because quite frankly I forgot but was reminded when I went looking for this no call Kitselman thing that I debunked in my previous post.

He pointed out one no call that I then posted a YouTube clip of and proved him wrong. See my previous post.

I don’t pretend to keep up with every play either. i did my own research and even did some of his. Its SUPER EASY to find video and I still haven’t seen 1 example of a penalty that should have never been called on Georgia or even worse a penalty that was reviewed and enforced for the first time this season during what was potentially a playoff game, arguably one the biggest games of the year for the SEC.

Do I wish Heup would act like a crazy man when the team doesn’t execute or when players get foolish penalties? Absolutely as I have already stated. I think his discipline is lackluster and that’s why there are so many penalties as Ive stated before.

But to act like the refs don’t influence the game is just flat out an incorrect assumption. They clearly do otherwise Heup wouldn’t act like a crazy person when it happens, literally losing his chit on the sidelines and cussing up a storm. He also would act like a jackass in the postgame press conference. Which reminds me, here’s a funny TikTok of his press conference showing his jackass reactions.

 
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Tnphil said:
Not only watch it....but coached it for 34 years. So you **** off.

Excuses are for losers....winners don't have to........Now go make some more excuses.
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Ah a dumb boomer, got it lol

In all seriousness. Life isn’t black and white. A loss is hardly ever all on officiating but to act like bad officiating can’t impact a game is beyond delusional.
 
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VOLfrombama said:
You can call it whatever you want to, but the phantom facemask extended UGAly's drive when it was still a tie ballgame. They would have had to punt.

The no call PI on squirrel caused us to have to punt.

The reveiwed 12th man is the first time anyone has called that a penalty this season and Ive never heard of the 3 second rule. That's certainly not the way its been handled and there are dozens of examples of that this season. That extended a drive for them as well.

To say the refs didn't have a direct impact that game, especially in the second half, is short sighted.
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you might want to brush up on facemask rules
 
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UTK said:
Ah a dumb boomer, got it lol

In all seriousness. Life isn’t black and white. A loss is hardly ever all on officiating but to act like bad officiating can’t impact a game is beyond delusional.
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So....all those wins UT has gotten not 1 was given to us by bad officiating. We win it's because we played great....we lose and it's because of poor officiating. Lol

UGA beat UT because they outplayed....out schemed....out coached us.
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
I’m not in the conspiracy camp.
I’m in the “the refs are incompetent” camp.
It’s absolutely ridiculous that the refs are covered for by fans when they win. They make an unbelievable amount of bad calls every game with no oversight. The Georgia fans were right in the ole miss game. They were horrible in our game.
They will be horrible in the games this weekend.
And instead of oversight for an area that is obviously trash, the SEC fines any coach that complains.

There’s a reason the fans are complaining about Refs.
It’s because they suck.
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This is where I dwell as well….. the fix isn’t in… they just blow
 
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VOLfrombama said:
You can call it whatever you want to, but the phantom facemask extended UGAly's drive when it was still a tie ballgame. They would have had to punt.

The no call PI on squirrel caused us to have to punt.

The reveiwed 12th man is the first time anyone has called that a penalty this season and Ive never heard of the 3 second rule. That's certainly not the way its been handled and there are dozens of examples of that this season. That extended a drive for them as well.

To say the refs didn't have a direct impact that game, especially in the second half, is short sighted.
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Bro….. there’s no way the facemask call doesn’t get made.
 
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Jaws said:
This thread got me thinking:

Dan Mullen at Florida: 34-15
Josh Heupel at Tenn: 35-14

One is considered safe and secure and one of the best in the SEC. The other was probably fired too soon by Florida but seemingly wanted to be fired, which is bolstered by the fact he hasn’t even hinted at a possible return to coaching. Many don’t realize that had this playoff format been around while Mullen was at UF, he would have made the playoffs the first 3 of his 4 years.

I think it’s surprising how differently they’re thought of with near identical results.
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But Heup had a bunch of those games stolen from him. His real record should be 42-7. Then he looks a lot better than Mullen's record.

They might be more similar than we'd like to think though:
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Carl Pickens said:
Bro….. there’s no way the facemask call doesn’t get made.
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“It is not a foul if the facemask, chin strap or helmet opening is not grasped and then twisted, turned or pulled.”

None of these things happened to constitute a call. The players helmet was knocked off by a forearm/elbow of the tackler. It was a crap call and Heupel himself agrees. See my previous post with his reaction in the press conference for proof
 
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VOLfrombama said:
You can call it whatever you want to, but the phantom facemask extended UGAly's drive when it was still a tie ballgame. They would have had to punt.

The no call PI on squirrel caused us to have to punt.

The reveiwed 12th man is the first time anyone has called that a penalty this season and Ive never heard of the 3 second rule. That's certainly not the way its been handled and there are dozens of examples of that this season. That extended a drive for them as well.

To say the refs didn't have a direct impact that game, especially in the second half, is short sighted.
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You do realize that Georgia had substituted with about 20-23 secs still left on the play clock and the ref stood over the center for 17 secs iirc. No one to blame on that but the coaches.
 
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VolUMetric said:
You do realize that Georgia had substituted with about 20-23 secs still left on the play clock and the ref stood over the center for 17 secs iirc. No one to blame on that but the coaches.
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that’s not the precedent though. Unless there’s been some press release stating they are changing their enforcement of that substitution rule that I am unaware of, it’s not been enforced that way until that specific play. That’s a strategic move that has been used many times by multiple teams all year long and in previous years over and over. So for a ref to suddenly choose to enforce that differently is unprecedented.

And there is no 3 second rule that they referred to. As stated earlier itt, the 3 second rule applies to how long you have to choose to substitute before the ref comes off the ball to start play. They satisfied that rule.

Everyone itt arguing about that please watch Heupel’s reaction in that video and then tell everyone he is also wrong about the interpretation or enforcement of the rules. I wholeheartedly agree with him.
 
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