Interesting Statistics

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shot0fclarity08 said:
So far, this has been a factual debate on the side of truefan and myself. While nothing more than emotion and opinion has come from the other side. Too funny.
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:lolabove:

debate? all you 2 have been doin is jerkin each other on how awesome and smart yall are because you both are libs, and all else fail. I would rather discuss things with LG then you two clowns. At least he has an educated point, not just rambling and name calling.
 
#203
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truefan said:
Yes, ABSOLUTELY had everything to do with facts. As I stated earlier(if you would bother to go back and actually read this thread in sequence) the incoming freshmen at this school have an average gpa of over 3.9 and average ACT of 31. I would say those are two pretty telling statistics into one's intelligence.
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I'll equate it directly:

It has everything to do with their academic aptitude.
 
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DC Vol said:
Only really because quite a few degrees are generally worthless. And attaining them has no bearing on the intelligence of the pursuer.

In the matter of Math, Physics, Engineering, etc... it's quite a bit different.
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i know many math, physics, and engineering grad students / phds. most if not all could have a similar amount of success straight out of college in their chosen profession. the same cannot be said for a law or mba degree. now i'm not saying that people who have those degrees aren't smart, just that they aren't neccasarily any smarter than those who did not go down that road.
 
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droski said:
i know many math, physics, and engineering grad students / phds. most if not all could have a similar amount of success straight out of college in their chosen profession. the same cannot be said for a law or mba degree. now i'm not saying that people who have those degrees aren't smart, just that they aren't neccasarily any smarter than those who did not go down that road.
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Now, I will agree with you.
 
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DC Vol said:
Nah, I've just relinquished all concern and have resigned myself to the impending NWO. The US, UK and Australia are at the forefront of this movement.

Admonishing Sweden because, yes, they have socialized medicine is complete fallacy. Sweden's model works. Thinking their model would work over here is also fallacy because most Swedes don't look to exploit any/all government program combined with the fact that their HCS comprises 9% of their entire GDP while the current US GDP HCS is around 16%.


So, besides their "broken health care" (I made an assumption)... how is Sweden a failure?
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Come on now, their "new public management" programs have broadened corruption in their municipalities.

Why in the world does the citizen have to put up with this crap in Sweden or for that matter here?
 
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droski said:
i know many math, physics, and engineering grad students / phds. most if not all could have a similar amount of success straight out of college in their chosen profession. the same cannot be said for a law or mba degree. now i'm not saying that people who have those degrees aren't smart, just that they aren't neccasarily any smarter than those who did not go down that road.
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They're equally smart, in my mind... but completely different flavors of smart. My aunt/uncle are lawyers and my father-in-law is a judge... and they're insufferably organized. I work with a bunch of MS/PhDs from all of the board (math, science) and most are completely unorganized. Scatterbrained is a very good term here.

As far as salary out of college vs. PhD? It entirely depends on what world you go into. You can't work for Siemens/GE/Pratt/Boeing in the higher eschelon research positions without a PhD. That is what most strive for.


Debating this, however, is not the point either of us were making.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
Come on now, their "new public management" programs have broadened corruption in their municipalities.

Why in the world does the citizen have to put up with this crap in Sweden or for that matter here?
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You're going to have corruption in any government. You need to come to terms with what you consider "acceptable amounts of corruption".
 
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DC Vol said:
I'll equate it directly:

It has everything to do with their academic aptitude.
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If you don't think those statistics are a result of intelligence then we should agree to disagree, although you would be wrong. It takes a great deal of intelligence to do WELL in courses like calculus, physics and chemistry. Someone of above average intelligence is going to have a less difficult time getting a good grade in one of those subjects than someone of average intelligence. That is a fact. Whether you agree or not. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT having a higher IQ gives you a higher academic aptitude
 
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#212
i think DC just referenced a theory, multiple something, ah well must not be important if it isnt at the University of The Giant Brain
 
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truefan said:
If you don't think those statistics are a result of intelligence then we should agree to disagree, although you would be wrong. It takes a great deal of intelligence to do WELL in courses like calculus, physics and chemistry. Someone of above average intelligence is going to have a less difficult time getting a good grade in one of those subjects than someone of average intelligence. That is a fact. Whether you agree or not. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT having a higher IQ gives you a higher academic aptitude
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Negative. I have taught gifted students, and they are the most lazy kids i have ever dealt with, just sayin
 
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droski said:
"I know more about smart people THAN you. I work for one of the top academic universities in the country."
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So working for one of the top academic universities in the country doesn't give one better insight to intelligent than someone who doesn't? I think you probably have a better handle on investment strategies than most of us because you work for an investment bank.

True statement whether you agree or not
 
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#215
what kind of training do you have to make this judgement? Just because I work for the Colts doesnt mean I can tell Peyton Manning how to run an offense. (that was an example)
 
#216
#216
not similar. what research have you done on intelligence? I went to the top research university in the world and trust me there were plenty of idiots.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
:lolabove:

debate? all you 2 have been doin is jerkin each other on how awesome and smart yall are because you both are libs, and all else fail. I would rather discuss things with LG then you two clowns. At least he has an educated point, not just rambling and name calling.
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Like I said, I am not a liberal, but you can keep showing your ignorance in the matter. As I said, guys like you automatically think those that don't think like you are liberals. Actually, I am probably more conservative than you....at least on things that actually matter.

I made my point and provided statistics for back-up. I don't care who you would rather discuss things with, GA. I am at least as educated as you.
 
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truefan said:
If you don't think those statistics are a result of intelligence then we should agree to disagree, although you would be wrong. It takes a great deal of intelligence to do WELL in courses like calculus, physics and chemistry. Someone of above average intelligence is going to have a less difficult time getting a good grade in one of those subjects than someone of average intelligence. That is a fact. Whether you agree or not. MORE OFTEN THAN NOT having a higher IQ gives you a higher academic aptitude
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I agree that, in general principle, that SAT/ACT scores can be something of a measuring stick on your intelligence. I wouldn't go out on a limb, like you did, and say that you're a more qualified source on "smart people" just because the average ACT score is what it is at your school. There are simply too many variables in play (not to even mention the "human factor") to make a quantitative statement on SAT/GPA scores equal IQ.

In my entire life the GT Score testing system for the US military usually was the closest thing I ever came to a good "IQ Test".
 
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DC Vol said:
You're going to have corruption in any government. You need to come to terms with what you consider "acceptable amounts of corruption".
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To me, the local level of guvment in Sweden is unacceptable if not down right scary!

:hi:
 
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truefan said:
Like I said, I am not a liberal, but you can keep showing your ignorance in the matter. As I said, guys like you automatically think those that don't think like you are liberals. Actually, I am probably more conservative than you....at least on things that actually matter.

I made my point and provided statistics for back-up. I don't care who you would rather discuss things with, GA. I am at least as educated as you.
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what stats? all you have said is that you work for some school. I guess that works in bizarro world.

All you have done is called people dumb, and said who is smarter then who, yet you have provided no credientials in the matter. For all we know you could be a cafeteria lady at said school. However in the Obama philosophy, thats how it should be.
 
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GASOUTHERNVOL said:
Negative. I have taught gifted students, and they are the most lazy kids i have ever dealt with, just sayin
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See, this is where you aren't up for debate. You take YOUR SMALL SAMPLES and try to apply it universally. As I said, and this is fact, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, higher intelligence will yield higher academic aptitude. Certainly there are instances of where the ultra gifted are lazy; however, that is an exception and not a rule.
 
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DC Vol said:
I agree that, in general principle, that SAT/ACT scores can be something of a measuring stick on your intelligence. I wouldn't go out on a limb, like you did, and say that you're a more qualified source on "smart people" just because the average ACT score is what it is at your school. There are simply too many variables in play (not to even mention the "human factor") to make a quantitative statement on SAT/GPA scores equal IQ.

In my entire life the GT Score testing system for the US military usually was the closest thing I ever came to a good "IQ Test".
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+1

:hi:
 
#224
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truefan said:
See, this is where you aren't up for debate. You take YOUR SMALL SAMPLES and try to apply it universally. As I said, and this is fact, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, higher intelligence will yield higher academic aptitude. Certainly there are instances of where the ultra gifted are lazy; however, that is an exception and not a rule.
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Intellegence does not yield ability.
 
#225
#225
truefan said:
See, this is where you aren't up for debate. You take YOUR SMALL SAMPLES and try to apply it universally. As I said, and this is fact, MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, higher intelligence will yield higher academic aptitude. Certainly there are instances of where the ultra gifted are lazy; however, that is an exception and not a rule.
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he's just employing the obama method
 
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