Is Butch loosing his appeal in with Tennessee recruits?

#153
#153
Many of you are misunderstanding me/missing the point.

We have a solid recruiting class with very talented players. However, it is an average SEC recruiting class. It has some great and really good prospects in it (when compared to other SEC classes) as well as many average prospects (when compared to other SEC programs).

The recruiting services will also reflect this when we end up ranked between 5 and 7 in the SEC as far as the rankings go come February.

If we were in another league, like the Big Ten or ACC almost all of our prospects would look elite/above average... But not in our league.

This is okay - it's just not great. And it certainly means you can still win a lot of ball games, we just won't have the elite raw talent that a few other teams in the league are taking in. Which means we need to develop our talent better than the others in order to beat the elite teams that have a talent advantage over us.

This isn't rocket surgery.
 
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#154
#154
GoBigOrangeVols said:
Many of you are misunderstanding me/missing the point.

We have a solid recruiting class with very talented players. However, it is an average SEC recruiting class. It has some great and really good prospects in it (when compared to other SEC classes) as well as many average prospects (when compared to other SEC programs).

The recruiting services will also reflect this when we end up ranked between 5 and 7 in the SEC as far as the rankings go come February.

If we were in another league, like the Big Ten or ACC almost all of our prospects would look elite/above average... But not in our league.

This is okay - it's just not great. And it certainly means you can still win a lot of ball games, we just won't have the elite raw talent that a few other teams in the league are taking in. Which means we need to develop our talent better than the others in order to beat the elite teams that have a talent advantage over us.

This isn't rocket surgery.
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How rocket science?
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Many of you are misunderstanding me/missing the point.

We have a solid recruiting class with very talented players. However, it is an average SEC recruiting class. It has some great and really good prospects in it (when compared to other SEC classes) as well as many average prospects (when compared to other SEC programs).

The recruiting services will also reflect this when we end up ranked between 5 and 7 in the SEC as far as the rankings go come February.

If we were in another league, like the Big Ten or ACC almost all of our prospects would look elite/above average... But not in our league.

This is okay - it's just not great. And it certainly means you can still win a lot of ball games, we just won't have the elite raw talent that a few other teams in the league are taking in. Which means we need to develop our talent better than the others in order to beat the elite teams that have a talent advantage over us.

This isn't rocket surgery.
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you recruit to your needs,not rankings...we need lineman on both sides,there are more 5* at skill positions usually than on the OL/DL...this year may be an exception with the DL though... and wait till they come out with the final rankings before you believe it is just average,if you are going to base everything off recruiting service rankings... a school that needs QB's and WR's and recruits well,will just about always be ahead of a team the recruits OL well,but is set at skill positions... does that make their class better? not necessarily...
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Many of you are misunderstanding me/missing the point.

We have a solid recruiting class with very talented players. However, it is an average SEC recruiting class. It has some great and really good prospects in it (when compared to other SEC classes) as well as many average prospects (when compared to other SEC programs).

The recruiting services will also reflect this when we end up ranked between 5 and 7 in the SEC as far as the rankings go come February.

If we were in another league, like the Big Ten or ACC almost all of our prospects would look elite/above average... But not in our league.

This is okay - it's just not great. And it certainly means you can still win a lot of ball games, we just won't have the elite raw talent that a few other teams in the league are taking in. Which means we need to develop our talent better than the others in order to beat the elite teams that have a talent advantage over us.

This isn't rocket surgery.
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Your last sentence is correct. The difference between the 4th and 6th SEC team is minimal. Aside from Alabama and maybe LSU, the top 6-7 are all ranked together, and it is one company's opinion. Just because one team has an extra 4 star doesn't mean that they will automatically beat you. You are trying too hard to think this through. A top 10-15 class every year gets us back to playing good football.
 
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#159
I'm not saying this to be "that guy" but from what I've seen and read I think Boulware has a bigger upside than Richmond. UT May or may not move on after his commitment but now that he's picked another school I'm not in meltdown mode. I think we'll be ok without him. Might as well say it.
 
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#160
#160
If we go down to Oxford and whoop dat azz, he might think differently. And then Butch will be like

"Nnnah-"
 
#161
#161
Is the OP from a foreign country? I don't even understand what he is saying. I think he is concerned about our recruiting . . . we will be fine.
 
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GoBigOrangeVols said:
Many of you are misunderstanding me/missing the point.

We have a solid recruiting class with very talented players. However, it is an average SEC recruiting class. It has some great and really good prospects in it (when compared to other SEC classes) as well as many average prospects (when compared to other SEC programs).

The recruiting services will also reflect this when we end up ranked between 5 and 7 in the SEC as far as the rankings go come February.

If we were in another league, like the Big Ten or ACC almost all of our prospects would look elite/above average... But not in our league.

This is okay - it's just not great. And it certainly means you can still win a lot of ball games, we just won't have the elite raw talent that a few other teams in the league are taking in. Which means we need to develop our talent better than the others in order to beat the elite teams that have a talent advantage over us.

This isn't rocket surgery.
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From 2002 - 2011, Georgia, on the average, had the second highest ranked classes in the country according to Rivals. For reference, USC was #1.

During that same period, Alabama, UF and LSU each won two BCS Championships and Auburn won one (and probably should have had a shot at another in 2004) despite not having classes that were consistently as good on paper.

With that said, I agree that UT must continue to recruit well. But, rankings are certainly not the be-all and end-all.
 
#163
#163
Butch's ability to coach will be the real story with this year's class. A lot of these kids are waiting to see how effective he is as a coach. We will be fine by the end of the year, and turning kids away once more.
You can tell this year's team is being coached just by watching the confidence level they play at.
 
#164
#164
Not concerned about recruiting AT ALL!!!! Love what Butch is doing on the recruiting trail. I know we cannot get EVERY player from Tennessee. I love our 2015 AND 2016 class........ Was just wondering WHY this year we did not get as many top recruits from our home state is all someone already answered the question and went through each recruit and explained and understand now.
 
#166
#166
Van Jefferson and Harris went to GA because we are stacked at WR & TE...Playing time.

Richmond is huge disappointment because we needed him and he was a good fit. Coaches won't give up recruiting him though.

If we want the Vandy commits, we can probably poach them.
 
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#167
PassedOutAwake said:
1. Richmond - Oxford is closer than Knoxville. This one is not over yet.
2. Jack Jones - Ours
3. Kyle Phillips - Undecided
4. Josh Smith - Vandy legacy. His brother is currently on the team.
5. Amadi - VQ said we may have slow played/passed on him
6. Jefferson - Basically said he was scared of the depth of WR at UT
7. McMillon - Doesnt really fit our scheme. Most of his offers wont take him.
8. Sheffield - Dont really remember much about him. I think he may also be a Vandy legacy.
9. Harris - Did not offer him
10. Stewart - Ours
11. Jennings - Ours
12. McGraw - had a handler
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You wrote "Vandy" and "legacy" twice. I laughed both times at those 2 words in the same line.
 
#168
#168
Hard to beat Freeze in Memphis

For goodness sake, the guy coached there for years

I can imagine he used the Michael Oher reference to hook Richmond
 
#170
#170
Though it is generally preferable to acquire the in-state talent, many end will still accept offers elsewhere. Laying a huge amount of stock based on star ratings can be misleading. It is a so-called experts evaluation of players based solely on measurables and statistics. It doesn't measure their character, work ethic, and how they fit your system.

Some of those players listed may have red flags in the Butch Jones recruiting profile. They may issues in regard to grades, attitude, "coachability", and other things you & I are not privy to. There may be an out of state player that is a higher priority for a position. We just don't know things about these kids that the coaching staff gets to learn.

Even without some of the names listed, this years class is still impressive. And more and more HS kids are viewing Tennessee as a program they would want to be a part of. As to Drew Richmond, a Memphis area recruit,it is not unusual for those kids to prefer Ole Miss. Oxford is a heck of a lot closer to home than Knoxville.

Once Tennessee starts beating top ranked programs consistently, losing the in-state kids we want will become increasingly rare. It is coming. Count on it.
 
#174
#174
No. The talent level in the state of Tennessee this year isn't what it was last year. Only a few of these players were heavily recruited. I have included an excerpt from

Missing on Top OL Target Drew Richmond Major Blow for Tennessee Recruiting | Bleacher Report

Thus far, UT has just two of Tennessee's top 10 players. That number is skewed because the Vols didn't recruit as many in-state players as they did a season ago.

But the Vols were actively involved at one point in recruiting Richmond, Rico McGraw (Alabama) and Van Jefferson (Georgia), who chose other schools.

Kyle Phillips is the only undecided player in the top 10, and the Vols desperately need to get him in the fold at strong-side defensive end.

I hope the link section worked, I haven't tried posting one before.

So, no I don't think coach Jones has "loost" his appeal.
 
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