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AM64 said:
It's always been my impression that some restaurant workers (fast food excluded) were paid less than other jobs because of tips. Do those generally go directly straight to the staff, or are they accumulated and split some way? That seems to be the big item missing from this discussion. I know it's not unusual to leave a tip equal to or exceeding to the proposed minimum wage for well less than an hour's work - and other customers are doing similar for the same staff. Probably not that level for places like an IHOP, but there's a quicker customer turnover there, too.
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My limited history in restaurants says it depends on the establishment. Some places keep the server's tips. Some there is a tip share for bus, host, expo, etc. I've never heard about all servers pooling tips to be divided equally among servers. Dink probably knows better.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Enter the staffing crisis we're in.
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I suppose what was once considered a non-permanent job is now considered a job where you can work at until retirement and need to be able to buy a house and raise a family on? I'm sorry but waiting tables and mixing drinks is a low skill job and deserves a low skill wage.
 
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AM64 said:
It's always been my impression that some restaurant workers (fast food excluded) were paid less than other jobs because of tips. Do those generally go directly straight to the staff, or are they accumulated and split some way? That seems to be the big item missing from this discussion. I know it's not unusual to leave a tip equal to or exceeding to the proposed minimum wage for well less than an hour's work - and other customers are doing similar for the same staff. Probably not that level for places like an IHOP, but there's a quicker customer turnover there, too.
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I dated a woman who worked as server and on the weekends she would make on average $300-$400 a night. She worked at an establishment in Oak Ridge and most of the the locals in that area travel to Knoxville on the weekends to dine out. I’m not saying that every server makes that type of money, but most make way more than minimum wage. Not to mention that most servers don’t claim cash tips on their taxes.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Depends on the place. It's known as tip pooling when the whole front of house splits the tips based on hours worked. I've never been a fan because there are hard workers and there are those dragging their feet.

I don't see the logic in allowing employers to pay under minimum wage just because the guests tip the staff for effectively putting up with **** like mother's day brunch for 8 hours straight.
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I don't think they should pay less than minimum wage either, and it's a tough way to make a living - factory workers, for example, don't even have to smile and play nice.
 
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Vol737 said:
Save some money, use it to start your own business, along with the business loans you will have to take on to get it off the ground, and report back in a year or so. Let me know how much you’re willing to NOT make in a business you devote almost all your time and energy to
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I was speaking on Pal's owner/operators. They don't have to do any of those things.
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I dated a woman who worked as server and on the weekends she would make on average $300-$400 a night. She worked at an establishment in Oak Ridge and most of the the locals in that area travel to Knoxville on the weekends to dine out. I’m not saying that every server makes that type of money, but most make way more than minimum wage. Not to mention that most servers don’t claim cash tips on their taxes.
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Look out in the back parking lot. See the nice car? The waitress drives it. :)
 
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MOOOOONEY said:
I dated a woman who worked as server and on the weekends she would make on average $300-$400 a night. She worked at an establishment in Oak Ridge and most of the the locals in that area travel to Knoxville on the weekends to dine out. I’m not saying that every server makes that type of money, but most make way more than minimum wage. Not to mention that most servers don’t claim cash tips on their taxes.
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Back in my day of serving The Flintstones their Brontosaurus Ribs, we had to claim enough to have tips plus wage ave minimum wage. But you're right, that was nowhere close to all the tips.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
It has played a factor, but I promise you there gas also been a mass exodus of service industry workers moving on to other career paths. The past year has rocked it and made it a lot less appealing to work.
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Then market will dictate that service industry workers are paid more and the places that are unwilling or can’t afford to pay more will probably shut their doors
 
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VolStrom said:
I suppose what was once considered a non-permanent job is now considered a job where you can work at until retirement and need to be able to buy a house and raise a family on? I'm sorry but waiting tables and mixing drinks is a low skill job and deserves a low skill wage.
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You know very little. People working at nicer restaurants pull in significantly more than most people their age. I've purchased property back when I tended bar, and if I was insane enough to raise a family, I could have afforded it.

You sound like a dickturd who tips a dollar a drink. Probably wouldn't see you in anything nicer than Bennigan's.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You know very little. People working at nicer restaurants pull in significantly more than most people their age. I've purchased property back when I tended bar, and if I was insane enough to raise a family, I could have afforded it.

You sound like a dickturd who tips a dollar a drink. Probably wouldn't see you in anything nicer than Bennigan's.
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Why would I tip a dick like you?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You wouldn't because I 100% doubt someone like you would have ever come into a place where someone like me has ever worked.
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Good for you if you worked at places that have a higher wage clientele and made better than normal wages for your industry. The facts are that most people that work in your industry work in way lower class places like an Applebees and don't deserve a decent wage because they don't do much other than deliver crappy food.
 
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VolStrom said:
Good for you if you worked at places that have a higher wage clientele and made better than normal wages for your industry. The facts are that most people that work in your industry work in way lower class places like an Applebees and don't deserve a decent wage because they don't do much other than deliver crappy food.
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You're not wrong there.

Should an Uber driver and a limo driver make the same? How about a crop duster versus a private jet pilot?

Question: when was the last time you worked a shift waiting a table?
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You're not wrong there.

Should an Uber driver and a limo driver make the same? How about a crop duster versus a private jet pilot?

Question: when was the last time you worked a shift waiting a table?
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Never and I never wanted to. You attempted to lump everyone in your industry into a "they're underpaid" for what they do lane and I don't agree with you. Go smoke a Cuban, take a swig of some nice Bourbon and continue on like you're one of the people you serve.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
You know very little. People working at nicer restaurants pull in significantly more than most people their age. I've purchased property back when I tended bar, and if I was insane enough to raise a family, I could have afforded it.

You sound like a dickturd who tips a dollar a drink. Probably wouldn't see you in anything nicer than Bennigan's.
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Again... you are talking about anomalies. Most restaurants are not going to be able to pay that kind of wage to line cooks and bar staff.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Depends on the place. It's known as tip pooling when the whole front of house splits the tips based on hours worked. I've never been a fan because there are hard workers and there are those dragging their feet.

I don't see the logic in allowing employers to pay under minimum wage just because the guests tip the staff for effectively putting up with **** like mother's day brunch for 8 hours straight.
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I'd love to go to the Japanese model regarding tipping.
 
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VolStrom said:
Never and I never wanted to.
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Any gravity you have in this debate ends here.

I don't serve anymore and I make significantly more than the typical male my age. On top of that, I love what I do. So, your attempt to slight my supposed socioeconomic standing rings hollow.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
I'm not asking for that necessarily. It should scale with quality of product.
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Keep in mind that this whole thing started based off of this:

DinkinFlicka said:
In fact, restaurant owners in any country but ours pay their staff a living wage and manage to keep the doors open. Fact is, American restaurateurs are highly exploitative of their employees.
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You made a general statement about American restaurateurs and then proceeded to use as your examples of how it should/could be done... examples that are well above the average price point of the average restaurant. You never did put a number on what you considered to be a living wage, but it most certainly wasn't within the normal range of a Cracker Barrell or Texas Roadhouse.
 
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McDad said:
My limited history in restaurants says it depends on the establishment. Some places keep the server's tips. Some there is a tip share for bus, host, expo, etc. I've never heard about all servers pooling tips to be divided equally among servers. Dink probably knows better.
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to anyone serving or considering being a server, if the company operates like this or wants to operate like this, leave and find a new place.

A server's tips should always be a server's tips, period. And when ownership butts in to take it and distribute it, for whatever reason, fraud usually happens.

you earn what you earn. It should be that simple
 
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