Is Judaism a Race

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Majors said:
Shes openly mocking, belittling an entire race. Today's cancel culture has no expiration date, your actions, tweets, conversations, videos and in this case insensitive picture is cause for termination based on "insensitivity". Sarah Silverman fired when a skit surfaced of her in blackface. If someone wants to get on TV and talk about the country and all of it's blemishes in regards to race relations, make sure that past won't discredit your actions.
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Why? You should be able to say anything you want to and if people don't like it, they can just tune you out.
 
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DonjoVol said:
If she was a Republican and those pictures surfaced do you think she'd still be on the show?
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Doesn't change anything to me of what party she is from.

To answer your question, I think she would be a lot worse off if she was a republican. Doesn't make it the right thing to do.
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Doesn't change anything to me of what party she is from.

To answer your question, I think she would be a lot worse off if she was a republican. Doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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A lot worse if she was Republican? How so? Not sure what you mean by that statement so would need some clarification.

Keep in mind democrats elected an openly racist old white man who was mentored by segregationist democrats.
 
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My goodness there are so many layers to this:
1. Whoopie is the same one that has recently gone after Rogan and Maher for what they've said about COVID.
2. Ted Danson in blackface
3. Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. There were Romas (Gypsies), Slavs, and others. So technically, it wasn't just about race
4. Cancel culture strikes again
5. Were the original Israelites "white"?
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Why? You should be able to say anything you want to and if people don't like it, they can just tune you out.
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Not the choice of the audience to dictate standards and expectations of a show. It has been defined that “blackface” is open racism. So by allowing this action with no termination says to the show, producers and sponsors we support racism. Yes a viewer can choose to watch or not buy sponsored products. But it’s easier to say, we don’t support “blackface” and terminated Joy for her past actions. Be the standard to professionalism.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
My goodness there are so many layers to this:
1. Whoopie is the same one that has recently gone after Rogan and Maher for what they've said about COVID.
2. Ted Danson in blackface
3. Jews were not the only victims of the Holocaust. There were Romas (Gypsies), Slavs, and others. So technically, it wasn't just about race
4. Cancel culture strikes again
5. Were the original Israelites "white"?
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I already mentioned how they went after Jehovah Witnesses. Which he went after them not due to race but because they refused to be loyal to the regime. Jehovah Witnesses also faced persecution in the Soviet Union for the same reasons.
 
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Vol8188 said:
There’s also different rules for black racism. Multiple examples of black racism (especially towards Jewish people) being ignored and downplayed. NYT even admitted they weren’t covering the rise in anti Semitic attacks because it “didn’t fit the white supremacy narrative”, meaning it was done by black people.

She doesn’t want the Holocaust seen as racism because it takes away from her own victim status.
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And that's unfortunate. Journalism can only handle one racial division at a time and they captured a honey hole in white males as the root of all evil.
 
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DonjoVol said:
This is also just a reminder that Hitler was a left wing socialist.
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Extreme nationalism, preserving private property rights, solidarity for their “racial community”, religious exceptionalism… all the hallmarks of a left wing socialist lol
 
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OHvol40 said:
Extreme nationalism, preserving private property rights, solidarity for their “racial community”, religious exceptionalism… all the hallmarks of a left wing socialist lol
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Nationalism and racism have also been characteristics of the left for years. Those are not only characteristics of right wing ideology. There was extreme nationalism under Stalin and Castro and both held racist ideologies as well. Those two like Hitler also expected complete obedience to the state and limited people's rights when it came to speech, religion, etc. All 3 were leftists.
 
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MontyPython said:
So Whoopi Goldberg is suspended for 2 weeks from her TV show for making the following comment:

“Let’s be truthful about it because the Holocaust isn’t about race. No. It’s not about race!”

Whoopi was then called out for defining the basis of the Holocaust as the Jewish "race".

ABC News president Kim Godwin announced on Tuesday, “Effective immediately, I am suspending Whoopi Goldberg for two weeks for her wrong and hurtful comments,” Godwin said.

Whoopi apologized.

In a note to staff, ABC News prez Kim Godwin says, "While Whoopi has apologized, I’ve asked her to take time to reflect and learn about the impact of her comments. The entire ABC News organization stands in solidarity with our Jewish colleagues, friends, family and communities.”

Help me out here... how is Judaism a race? I'm the color (READ: RACE) that I am. Pretty confident I cannot at anytime change my race. Yet, at anytime I can convert to Judaism and become a "Jew". Right?!?

So, then, how is Whoopi wrong when she says the Holocaust is NOT based on race? Seems to me, Hitler hated people of the Jewish faith, hence the basis for the Holocaust. He hated them because of their religious beliefs, not the color of their skin (READ: RACE). Right?

Hmmm. So, I Google the question, "Is Judaism a race?".

Here are quotes from the articles:

First source: "Jews in the City":

"Religion, of course, is a belief system.

So where does Judaism fit into these categories?

Race, insofar as it exists at all, is a function of DNA. While there is a cluster of genes associated with being Jewish, non-Jewish people can possess those genes, and there are entire Jewish communities that don’t have them (presumably because these communities became isolated before those haplotype markers entered the DNA). Finally, a person can’t change his race but a person who isn’t Jewish can become Jewish. So it’s not looking good to define Judaism as a race.[1]

...So, if Judaism is not a race, nor an ethnicity, nor is it limited to religion, then what is it?"

Next source: "The AISH Rabbi Responds":

"To categorize Judaism "only" as a religion is a misunderstanding. The Jewish people are a nation, who share a common land (Israel), a common religion (Judaism) and a common history (dating back to Abraham).

What is amazing is how the Jews have maintained their distinct national identity having been scattered to the four corners of the globe. This achievement was possible only because of our adherence to the Torah, the "constitution" of the Jewish people. The Torah lays out the scope of personal rights and obligations, as well as laws covering lifecycle, business practice, medical ethics, parenting, married life, etc. Observance of the Torah was thus the thread which kept the Jewish people alive, and thriving, in every place and time.

Judaism cannot be classified as a race, because anyone can become a Jew by converting. The convert is considered a Jew in every regard, and his relationship with God is the same level as that of every other Jew. Come to Israel and you will find black Jews, oriental Jews, Indian Jews, etc."

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Mkay. I give up.

Not trying to be "racist" here. I could care less what other people's religious beliefs are as long as they don't impede on my life.

So how is Whoopi wrong? How is this not cancel culture at its worst?

Given that I am Christian, is it now politically correct to refer to me as belonging to the "Christian race"?

Taking this one step further, if one were to argue that Judaism is a race but Christianity isn't, then ironically how is this not - in fact - racist?
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To put it gently as I can, you seem to be ignorant of the difference between:

1. Judaism = a religion
2. Jew = a race of Semitic people with certain haplotypes
3. Israeli = a citizen of the nation of Israel

You can "convert" to Judaism, you cannot "decide to convert" and become a Jew. You can become an Israeli without being ethnically Jewish or an adherent to Judaism

What Hitler wanted to wipe out was the particular genetic traits of the Jews he saw as inferior to the characteristics of the "Teutonic race".

A link for you on that "google" place Who is a Jew? - Wikipedia
 
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Sandman 423 said:
Doesn't change anything to me of what party she is from.

To answer your question, I think she would be a lot worse off if she was a republican. Doesn't make it the right thing to do.
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Politics shouldn’t factor into firing her. Left, Right, Green, Independent, non voter…automatic termination. Accountability is holding honesty and integrity regardless of who it is. Convenient that she is retiring this year.
 
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EasternVol said:
Fascists are far right wing. Communists are far left wing. The Nazis were fascists.
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They were not fascists they were socialists. Mussolini was a fascist and also a leftist. You have been taught false history. They were all far left wing ideologies.
 
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EasternVol said:
Fascists are far right wing. Communists are far left wing. The Nazis were fascists.
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The left/right divisions don’t really apply well here. You’re better looking at them in terms of authoritarianism. In those terms you’ll find both extremely similar. Instead of fighting left vs right we should be fighting authoritarianism vs freedom
 
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EasternVol said:
Seriously? No dude. Look it up.
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I have studied all 3 extensively. There are way too many similarities between all 3 regimes to consider themselves that different from each other. Which is why I find it very difficult to put any of the 3 on opposite sides of the left- right spectrum.
 
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Vol8188 said:
Are you proclaiming you don’t know if Hitler was motivated by race or if Jews are a race?
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No. My view is that he was motivated by race because Judaism is a religion with strong ethnic considerations, unlike for example Christianity and Islam. Someone with first hand knowledge would be better able to explain and clear any misconceptions..
 
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EasternVol said:
No. My view is that he was motivated by race because Judaism is a religion with strong ethnic considerations, unlike for example Christianity and Islam. Someone with first hand knowledge would be better able to explain and clear any misconceptions..
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Was he motivated by race when he was going after other groups like Gypsies and Jehovah Witnesses?
 
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EasternVol said:
No. My view is that he was motivated by race because Judaism is a religion with strong ethnic considerations, unlike for example Christianity and Islam. Someone with first hand knowledge would be better able to explain and clear any misconceptions..
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Seems like more weird "wokeness" from you. Specifically CRT and their "storytelling". You don't have to be Jewish to understand how Nazi's saw Jews as a separate race. You only need to be literate.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Was he motivated by race when he was going after other groups like Gypsies and Jehovah Witnesses?
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Gypsies are considered a separate racial group. You specifically mentioned why he went after Jehovah Witnesses.

There's zero denying Hitler was motivated by race.
 
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