Is UT or Florida the 2nd Best SEC Program?

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TrueOrange said:
Wasn't any chance of such happening in 95 because of Nebraska, and also Ohio State at 11-1 and Northwestern at 10-1 were both teams ranked above UT prior to the bowl games

and yes, Nebraska that year would have beaten the stuffing out of UT just like it did UF
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That Ohio State team was stout. That would have been a great matchup against Nebraska, but Johnny Cooper couldn't beat Michigan.
 
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TUSKtimes said:
And doing pretty good nationally.

All time national titles recognized by the SEC:
LSU - 46
R-Kansas -31
Florida - 29
Georgia - 28
Alabama - 19
Tennessee - 18
Auburn - 17
Kentucky - 9
South Carolina - 3
(4) - 1


Can we have a shout out and a collective SEC hand-wringing for Miss St.? They get this baseball thing in Omaha, it will be NC #1. They are currently the only SEC team without national credentials.
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Go State tonight!
 
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Brave Volunteer said:
It SHOULD carry the same weight. In order to win your conference you have to win your division. They go hand in hand! Just like in order to win a national championship you need to win your conference....Oh wait a minute!
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Except you don't always win your conference if you win the division.

This would be like saying 2007's UT team finishing at the top of the East should count the exact same amount of points in a system as the 1997 and 1998 teams winning the conference...or to go pre-1992, that 2007's team should be awarded the same amounts of points for just making the championship game as the 1985, 1989, or 1990 teams that won the conference

I don't think anyone here was saying "divisional titles shouldn't count at all" just that "if you're going to give divisional titles a point value, then a conference championship/winning the conference should count more, especially in a system that extends into prior to their usage"
 
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Boca Vol said:
At what point do they stop becoming a "Johnny-come-lately?" They've been very good for about the last 30 years.
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That term has been thrown at us since 1991. :)

That said, I wouldn't trade the past 30 years for Alabama and Tennessee's history combined. Three national titles, a couple Heismans and back-to-back hoops titles for good measure...not bad for a Johnny Come Lately.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
That term has been thrown at us since 1991. :)

That said, I wouldn't trade the past 30 years for Alabama and Tennessee's history combined. Three national titles, a couple Heismans and back-to-back hoops titles for good measure...not bad for a Johnny Come Lately.
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Three NCs in thirty years? Isn't that cute?
 
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daj2576 said:
Explain to me why a Heisman matters?

It is a trophy given to a player without any sort of defined criteria, voted on by past recipients and certain members of the media.

It is heavily influenced by lobbying from teams, exposure and pressure by the media, and has no definitive criteria.

The Heisman has some historical significance, but the past 20 years has proven (at least to me) that it might be one step above a Nickelodean Kid's choice award.
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Paul at norte dame 2 and 8 :eek:lol:
 
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bamawriter said:
Three NCs in thirty years? Isn't that cute?
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i was waiting for that.

:)

i know it's not forgotten by the alabama faithful, but somehow that 1992 team doesn't get remembered very well.

still, i agree with LW. I've got no complaints.
 
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99gator said:
i think people would be shocked to see where florida ranks in total wins since 1950
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In my lifetime (40 years), UF is the winningest program in the SEC followed by Bama, UGA, & UT.

Granted, the 1st ten of those years weren't very good for UF, by the last 30 were.
 
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The only (SEC-E or otherwise) team who could possibly be #2 is the one that has played Alabama every year, has won more games vs. Alabama than anyone in FBS (min 10 games) and has the best winning % vs. Alabama in FBS (min 10 games), and in the process has won 6 NCs and 13 SEC-Cs and is 9th all-time in wins in the FBS (41 ahead of #12 UGA). If UT wasn't in the middle of a bad patch (which it's had a few of over 120 years), this question would be one.
 
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If you have to add things like Heismans, why not consider: (i) most NFL MVPs (PManning holds the record at 4, and counting), (ii) Largest Stadium (since forever), (iii) Most tickets sold since 1933 (year SEC founded), (iv) Most Bowl Appearances (UT is 3rd behind Bama and Texas), (v) Most wins since 1926 (UT is 2nd only to Oklahoma), (vi) Best Indoor Football Facility?
 
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MyBloodRunnethOrange said:
There were several times pre-92 that 2 and even 3 teams tied for the confrence championship.
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In 1950, for some reason UK played 6 SEC games, UT only 5. UT beat undefeated UK 7-0 in Nov. but lost in Sept to Miss State. By %, UK was declared the winner of the SEC.
 
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There are many teams that could come up with a criteria that they would want to use to feel good about themselves, even if not currently really on the radar.

Lehigh University can claim to be a major program because their program dates to 1894, and they are among those that have played the most games (1,241). They've won 10 conference titles in 20 years. How many has UT won in that time frame?

The University of Michigan and the University of Pennsylvania might want to argue that seating capacity for their stadiums makes them 1-2 (UT would be third under that criteria).

You could come up with others, depending on how you want your program to come out in the rankings as "relevant."

UT has simply not been a force in the conference, or nationally (because if you are a factor in the SEC, you matter nationally) for about ten years, and you have had a losing record four of the last five years.

That will obviously not continue, but pretending that success in the 1920's, or even the 1980's, gives you some kind of a pass is just self-delusional.
 
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lawgator1 said:
There are many teams that could come up with a criteria that they would want to use to feel good about themselves, even if not currently really on the radar.

Lehigh University can claim to be a major program because their program dates to 1894, and they are among those that have played the most games (1,241). They've won 10 conference titles in 20 years. How many has UT won in that time frame?

The University of Michigan and the University of Pennsylvania might want to argue that seating capacity for their stadiums makes them 1-2 (UT would be third under that criteria).

You could come up with others, depending on how you want your program to come out in the rankings as "relevant."

UT has simply not been a force in the conference, or nationally (because if you are a factor in the SEC, you matter nationally) for about ten years, and you have had a losing record four of the last five years.

That will obviously not continue, but pretending that success in the 1920's, or even the 1980's, gives you some kind of a pass is just self-delusional.
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You posted all that because UF doesn't have an indoor football facility.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
If you have to add things like Heismans, why not consider:
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I know what you are trying to get at here, and I agree that the Heisman really should not play a huge role when talking about overall programs. But you are going off the reservation if you think that it's as irrelevant as

(i) most NFL MVPs (PManning holds the record at 4, and counting)
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At least the Heisman is a college football award.

(ii) Largest Stadium (since forever),
(iii) Most tickets sold since 1933 (year SEC founded)
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Building a big stadium doesn't actually affect the quality of play.

(iv) Most Bowl Appearances (UT is 3rd behind Bama and Texas),
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This actually should count toward a program's historical ranking. So should bowl wins.

(v) Most wins since 1926 (UT is 2nd only to Oklahoma)
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Not really relevant to the best SEC programs, since the conference started in 1933. Since '33, Alabama leads Tennessee 622 to 608.

But what's funny is that even from 1926, you're wrong: Even counting vacations and forfeits, Alabama is #2 behind Oklahoma. (OU 685, Bama 675, UT 669).
 
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