Is UT or Florida the 2nd Best SEC Program?

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bamawriter said:
You just totally crawfished on your ridiculous point. Do you think college coaches concern themselves with a player's college potential, or his NFL potential?
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No doubt Saban grabs some guys to keep other SEC schools from getting them. Bear sure did.

But every player he puts on the field has NFL potential from day one, or Saban would have filled that position with someone that does.
 
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bamawriter said:
Not true at all. Population influxes, desegregation, and improvements in high school programs helped FL become a prime state for football talent in the late 60s. It was not always a great state for recruiting.
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When Dickey was at UF, Bear Bryant said that every year he (Bear) could win the NC with Florida's starters and the SEC with Florida's 2nd team.
 
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99gator said:
You come up with a list of nfl greats from Tennessee.

I'll start a list of guys from Florida and we'll conpare

The state, not the school
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I will start with Doug Atkins and Reggie White = NFL and CFL Hall of Famers. To which you can reply with any number of Gangstas from the U and recently the gators - so what?

Vol fans are born, Fl has fans based on who is winning at the moment - Seen many Buc, Marlin, Phin, or Jag fans lately? No - they all got a big "F" on their hat, until next year when it becomes "FSU".

This conversation is moot until the Fl schools have performed consistently for 100 years - at least 2081.

Now go watch the George Zimmerman/Trayvon Martin trial and keep being America's basement.

GBO!
 
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bamawriter said:
You are the one who brought up the NFL.

Seriously, WOV, run a Google search.

Number of active NFL players from the state of Florida: 222.
Number of active NFL players from the state of Georgia: 113.

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Originally Posted by 99gator View Post
You come up with a list of nfl greats from Tennessee.
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BamaWriter, Your stats are inappropo
 
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Once again, you respond with completely irrelevancy.

How exactly is this:

WiseOlVol said:
No doubt Saban grabs some guys to keep other SEC schools from getting them. Bear sure did.
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An answer to this question:

bamawriter said:
Do you think college coaches concern themselves with a player's college potential, or his NFL potential?
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?

And I'm not even going to bother explaining how dumb that idea is.

But every player he puts on the field has NFL potential from day one, or Saban would have filled that position with someone that does.
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Do you think Saban loses any sleep at night because Mark Ingram appears to be a bust in the NFL?
 
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bamawriter said:
Once again, you respond with completely irrelevancy.

How exactly is this:

An answer to this question:

And I'm not even going to bother explaining how dumb that idea is.

Do you think Saban loses any sleep at night because Mark Ingram appears to be a bust in the NFL?
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This isn't that complicated. Alabama, for the time being, is a magnet for NFL talent. Dozens of (now) millionaires have gone through there in the last 5 years. More than anyone. Recruits know this. So, why should Saban take someone who doesn't have the talent to be among the 200+ players drafted? He doesn't, for now.
 
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Wait a minute. You just shifted gears from "NFL greats" to "likely to get drafted."

WiseOlVol said:
That's Zero great QBs in 100 years. Neither were NFL talent.
Spurrier (who was from TN) was a life-time backup until Tampa.
The only decent QB UF has had is Grossman, who was from Indiana.
Proves, at least at one position, Florida hasn't produced many greats (despite their "natural advantage"). Charlie Ward was from Georgia.
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WiseOlVol said:
This isn't that complicated. Alabama, for the time being, is a magnet for NFL talent. Dozens of (now) millionaires have gone through there in the last 5 years. More than anyone. Recruits know this. So, why should Saban take someone who doesn't have the talent to be among the 200+ players drafted? He doesn't, for now.
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All the UF players you dumped on got drafted. Some of them quite high. So are you arguing that Florida doesn't produce great NFL players, or they don't produce draft-worthy players?

Or are you randomly talking two different standards when it comes to Florida and Alabama?
 
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WiseOlVol said:
If, as I said, the players were well coached, which apparently they weren't until Bobby Bowden arrived in 1975.
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You are crawfishing again.

You just referenced a Bryant quote that indicated that Florida had plenty of talent but poor coaching. Yet you've been arguing that Florida does not have a recruiting advantage. How is that Florida had all that talent in the Dickey era?
 
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bamawriter said:
Do you really think the numbers will be all that different?
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I don't know the answers to that one, but I do know that very few NFL greats have come through G-Ville (Emmet Smith, Fred Taylor, Kearse, Youngblood, who else?), which is the implication of the theory that UF has a natural recruiting advantage over the rest of the SEC.

One recruiting disadvantage Florida has is it has only 2 border states. Tennessee, for instance, has 8.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are crawfishing again.

You just referenced a Bryant quote that indicated that Florida had plenty of talent but poor coaching. Yet you've been arguing that Florida does not have a recruiting advantage. How is that Florida had all that talent in the Dickey era?
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Bear could have made the same statement about 15 other teams.
 
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bamawriter said:
Wait a minute. You just shifted gears from "NFL greats" to "likely to get drafted."

All the UF players you dumped on got drafted. Some of them quite high. So are you arguing that Florida doesn't produce great NFL players, or they don't produce draft-worthy players?

Or are you randomly talking two different standards when it comes to Florida and Alabama?
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By way of full disclosure, I'm being paid to waste your time. It's working.
 
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bamawriter said:
You are crawfishing again.

You just referenced a Bryant quote that indicated that Florida had plenty of talent but poor coaching. Yet you've been arguing that Florida does not have a recruiting advantage. How is that Florida had all that talent in the Dickey era?
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Dickey was a great recruiter, which is why he beat Alabama 3 years in a row before leaving for UF. Bear would have said the same thing about UT had Dickey stayed.
 
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If UF has always had a recruiting advantage, how come they didn't break into the top 25 in all-time wins (FBS) until about 2010?

They played .550 ball for 85 years, till they got a HC in 1990.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
I don't know the answers to that one, but I do know that very few NFL greats have come through G-Ville (Emmet Smith, Fred Taylor, Kearse, who else?),
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Jack Youngblood, Ike Hilliard, and Don Chandler spring to mind without looking it up.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
If UF has always had a recruiting advantage, how come they didn't break into the top 25 in all-time wins (FBS) until about 2010?

They played .550 ball for 85 years, till they got a HC in 1990.
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Like I said before, UF didn't have a recruiting advantage until the late 60s/early 70s.

A few posters have said "Florida has a recruiting advantage." You are arguing against this by trying to prove that Florida hasn't always had a recruiting advantage. The two don't have to go hand-in-hand.
 
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bamawriter said:
Jack Youngblood, Ike Hilliard, and Don Chandler spring to mind without looking it up.
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Wes Chandler.

BTW, your 1945 NC claim is in greater doubt given that the General, who owned Alabama, was still in Europe.

Army had 2 Heisman trophy winners on their 9-0 team. Hard to make that case for Alabama. You might also reconsider your comments abt UT's 1940 schedule; in 1945 Alabama played Keeler AAF and Pensacola NAS. The bowl game is irrelevant, or you have to give back the 64 NC.
 
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why has steve spurrier struggled to produce the same kind of results at south carolina than he did at florida?
 
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WiseOlVol said:
Wes Chandler.
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No, I was thinking of punter Don Chandler.

BTW, your 1945 NC claim is in greater doubt given that the General, who owned Alabama, was still in Europe.

Army had 2 Heisman trophy winners on their 9-0 team. Hard to make that case for Alabama. You might also reconsider your comments abt UT's 1940 schedule; in 1945 Alabama played Keeler AAF and Pensacola NAS. The bowl game is irrelevant, or you have to give back the 64 NC.
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We don't claim the 1945 championship. So I have no idea what you're getting at.

But if we did it would be a better claim than Tennessee in 1940. The games against the military bases aside, '45 Bama defeated 3 teams that finished ranked in the top 20, and 4 teams that finished with winning records. '40 Tennessee did not beat any ranked teams, and only beat two teams that finished with winning records.

Seriously: Google.
 
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WiseOlVol said:
I'm talking about the University of Florida's "natural recruiting advantage" over other SEC teams.

You think it's going to get any better for UF now that FSU and Miami are gaining momentum, Alabama can take the state's best players with a letter, UMeyer is in Ohio and CStrong is in KY (and already beat the stuffings out of UF with FL HS players)?
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Gaining momentum? :eek:lol:

UF increases its win total from 7 to 11, goes into Tallahassee and beats pre-season national title contender FSU and their 11 NFL draft picks, scoring 24 unanswered points in the 4th quarter.

Miami can't draw flies to home games and hasn't won its division title, let alone the ACC title, since leaving the Big East.

Yet FSU and Miami are "gaining momentum" on UF.

Alrighty then. :no:
 
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you'd think fsu and florida playing each other for the national title in the past would be proof that they could both be good at the same time.

perhaps florida, fsu and miami being 3 of the 4 schools with more than 300 wins since 1980 might also point that out.
 
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