Is UT or Florida the 2nd Best SEC Program?

[WiseOlVol]

One year does not prove a rule.

Where was all that talent when they went 7-5 and 6-6 in 2010 and 2011?

When even Lane Kiffin, 2,000 miles and a world away, and Brady Hoke from the tundra, are in your henhouse, you've lost your natural recruiting advantage.

 

[bamawriter]

According to Scout, as of this moment Florida has 1 5 star and 4 4 stars committed from the state. It's June.

To contrast, Alabama only has 3 4 stars from in-state. UGA only has 3 4 stars from in-state. Same goes for LSU in Louisiana. And those are all decent recruiting states.

Just because other teams can get players from your state doesn't mean you don't have an advantage. The state of Florida produces enough talent to stock 3 top level in-state schools with several left to spare.

 

[WiseOlVol]

According to Scout, as of this moment Florida has 1 5 star and 4 4 stars committed from the state. It's June.

To contrast, Alabama only has 3 4 stars from in-state. UGA only has 3 4 stars from in-state. Same goes for LSU in Louisiana. And those are all decent recruiting states.

Just because other teams can get players from your state doesn't mean you don't have an advantage. The state of Florida produces enough talent to stock 3 top level in-state schools with several left to spare.

I'm talking about the University of Florida's "natural recruiting advantage" over other SEC teams.

You think it's going to get any better for UF now that FSU and Miami are gaining momentum, Alabama can take the state's best players with a letter, UMeyer is in Ohio and CStrong is in KY (and already beat the stuffings out of UF with FL HS players)?

 

[WiseOlVol]

You're right man.

Being the most prominent state school in one of the highest talent producing states has not helped in the slightest

Who has more NCs, Miami, FSU or Florida?

 

[99gator]

Where was all that talent when they went 7-5 and 6-6 in 2010 and 2011?

When even Lane Kiffin, 2,000 miles and a world away, and Brady Hoke from the tundra, are in your henhouse, you've lost your natural recruiting advantage.

Ok

Florida, FSU, and Miami are in the top 5 in wins since 1980.

There's a reason

 

[bamawriter]

I'm talking about the University of Florida's "natural recruiting advantage" over other SEC teams.

You think it's going to get any better for UF now that FSU and Miami are gaining momentum, Alabama can take the state's best players with a letter, UMeyer is in Ohio and CStrong is in KY (and already beat the stuffings out of UF with FL HS players)?

This year, Florida got 1 5 star and 11 4 star players from in-state. In 2012, they got 1 5 star and 6 4 stars coming off two back to back mediocre regular seasons. In 2011 they got 1 5 star and 5 4 stars with a brand new coaching staff.

Do you know how many coaches would give their right arms to be able to pull 3 5 stars and 22 4 stars in three years without having to leave the borders of their respective states?

Yes, UF has to compete with FSU and Miami, but they have a built-in advantage over every SEC team other than A&M.

 

[WiseOlVol]

Ok

Florida, FSU, and Miami are in the top 5 in wins since 1980.

There's a reason

The reason:

Bobby Bowden
Howard Schnellenberger
Jimmy Johnson
Steve Spurrier
UMeyer

Q: Were any of Miami's great QBs from Florida? Kelly, Kosar, Testeverde, Walsh, Toretta, Dorsey?
A: No.

 

[bamawriter]

Ok

Florida, FSU, and Miami are in the top 5 in wins since 1980.

There's a reason

Be prepared for "UT won the most games between 1989 and 2004", or "UT won the most games between the end of the 1997 season and the beginning of the 1999 season", or "UT is the winningest program since 1926 if you don't count 2 other teams."

 

[WiseOlVol]

Be prepared for "UT won the most games between 1989 and 2004", or "UT won the most games between the end of the 1997 season and the beginning of the 1999 season", or "UT is the winningest program since 1926 if you don't count 2 other teams."

Lame.

I take you have no substantive response.

 

[bamawriter]

Q: Were any of Miami's great QBs from Florida? Kelly, Kosar, Testeverde, Walsh, Toretta, Dorsey?
A: No.

What exactly does this prove?

Danny Wuerffel was from FL, as was Tim Tebow.

 

[bamawriter]

Lame.

Like it or not, you have a tendancy to post "facts" without any regard to their accuracy or, when accurate, their relevancy. Research has rarely been your strong suit.

I take you have no substantive response.

I've been giving you plenty.

 

[99gator]

The reason:

Bobby Bowden
Howard Schnellenger
Jimmy Johnson
Steve Spurrier
UMeyer

Q: Were any of Miami's great QBs from Florida? Kelly, Kosar, Testeverde, Walsh, Toretta, Dorsey?
A: No.

You can't be this dumb.

This vast majority of the Miami, FSU and Florida teams were from Florida.

 

[WiseOlVol]

What exactly does this prove?

Danny Wuerffel was from FL, as was Tim Tebow.

That's Zero great QBs in 100 years. Neither were NFL talent.
Spurrier (who was from TN) was a life-time backup until Tampa.
The only decent QB UF has had is Grossman, who was from Indiana.
Proves, at least at one position, Florida hasn't produced many greats (despite their "natural advantage"). Charlie Ward was from Georgia.

 

[bamawriter]

That's Zero great QBs in 100 years. Neither were NFL talent.

What does that have to do with college football? Teams don't recruit a player because they think he'll be a great NFL star. They recruit him because they believe he'll be a great college player. Once again, you rely on a completely irrelevant piece of information to try and argue your point.

Tim Tebow is in the conversation of greatest college football players of all time, and his failings in the NFL will never, ever change that.

 

[WiseOlVol]

What does that have to do with college football? Teams don't recruit a player because they think he'll be a great NFL star. They recruit him because they believe he'll be a great college player.

Tim Tebow is in the conversation of greatest college football players of all time, and his failings in the NFL will never, ever change that.

You're entitled to your opinion.

And I'm not calling you "dumb" if I disagree with it or challenge your research.

I think Nick Saban would disagree with your second sentence.

 

[LittleCat]

That's Zero great QBs in 100 years. Neither were NFL talent.
Spurrier (who was from TN) was a life-time backup until Tampa.
The only decent QB UF has had is Grossman, who was from Indiana.
Proves, at least at one position, Florida hasn't produced many greats (despite their "natural advantage"). Charlie Ward was from Georgia.

You need to measure by college standards. Plenty of great college athletes never have the same success in the pros.

 

[99gator]

That's Zero great QBs in 100 years. Neither were NFL talent.
Spurrier (who was from TN) was a life-time backup until Tampa.
The only decent QB UF has had is Grossman, who was from Indiana.
Proves, at least at one position, Florida hasn't produced many greats (despite their "natural advantage"). Charlie Ward was from Georgia.

You come up with a list of nfl greats from Tennessee.

I'll start a list of guys from Florida and we'll conpare

The state, not the school

 

[bamawriter]

I think Nick Saban would disagree with your second sentence.

You think, when considering a potential recruit, Nick Saban thinks "Sure, he might be a fantastic college player, but he's never going to make it in the NFL, so I'm going to pass,"?

Seriously?

 

[WiseOlVol]

You can't be this dumb.

This vast majority of the Miami, FSU and Florida teams were from Florida.

That's been true for 120 years. The recent successes of the 3 teams has coincided with great coaching by great recruiters.

Whether or not the current 3 HCs are any good, they have more competition for the talent, particularly at the top.

 

[WiseOlVol]

You come up with a list of nfl greats from Tennessee.

I'll start a list of guys from Florida and we'll conpare

The state, not the school

The challenge doesn't follow the discussion, which u always start by assuming that you'll go unchallenged when claiming the UF has a natural recruiting advantage.

Georgia would top Florida, but that's it in the Sec.

 

[WiseOlVol]

You think, when considering a potential recruit, Nick Saban thinks "Sure, he might be a fantastic college player, but he's never going to make it in the NFL, so I'm going to pass,"?

Seriously?

He doesn't have to make that choice. All of the players he considers have a great chance to play in the nfl.

 

[bamawriter]

That's been true for 120 years. The recent successes of the 3 teams has coincided with great coaching by great recruiters.

Whether or not the current 3 HCs are any good, they have more competition for the talent, particularly at the top.

Not true at all. Population influxes, desegregation, and improvements in high school programs helped FL become a prime state for football talent in the late 60s. It was not always a great state for recruiting.

 

[99gator]

That's been true for 120 years. The recent successes of the 3 teams has coincided with great coaching by great recruiters.

Whether or not the current 3 HCs are any good, they have more competition for the talent, particularly at the top.

The level of athlete has changed in the last several years.

 

[bamawriter]

The challenge doesn't follow the discussion, which u always start by assuming that you'll go unchallenged when claiming the UF has a natural recruiting advantage.

You are the one who brought up the NFL.

Georgia would top Florida, but that's it in the Sec.

Seriously, WOV, run a Google search.

Number of active NFL players from the state of Florida: 222.
Number of active NFL players from the state of Georgia: 113.

Link

 

[bamawriter]

He doesn't have to make that choice. All of the players he considers have a great chance to play in the nfl.

You just totally crawfished on your ridiculous point. Do you think college coaches concern themselves with a player's college potential, or his NFL potential?