Islam, is it a religion of peace or war?

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#856
SpaceCoastVol said:
As long as they aren't playing religious hymns or anything like that. Far different from a 'call to prayer'.
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Different how? Far as I'm concerned, they are both equally annoying noises. Because one has words? In a language you don't understand? Is that the difference?

Help me understand here.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
Different how? Far as I'm concerned, they are both equally annoying noises. Because one has words? In a language you don't understand? Is that the difference?

Help me understand here.
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Hold on. You are saying the 'noise' is annoying and not the fact that one (islamic call to prayer) is definitely religious intrusion and the other (church bells playing non religious music) might be? I agree. I want all those car stereos blasting hip hop to be ticketed as well... I find that shizz very annoying
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Hold on. You are saying the 'noise' is annoying and not the fact that one (islamic call to prayer) is definitely religious intrusion and the other (church bells playing non religious music) might be? I agree. I want all those car stereos blasting hip hop to be ticketed as well... I find that shizz very annoying
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They're both noise, and they're both intrusive.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
They're both noise, and they're both intrusive.
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That's a dodge of the religious part of the question though. It is possible for church bells to play a non religious song. It is IMpossible for an islamic call to prayer to be non religious. You don't like the 'noise'. That is not really relevant to the argument. I don't like loud motorcycle pipes, or crap 'music' blasting from the car next to me. And while we are at it, smokers blowing smoke anywhere near me is intrusive and offensive. However, we are discussing the religious intrusion of church bells vs 'praying?' over loudspeakers.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
That's a dodge of the religious part of the question though. It is possible for church bells to play a non religious song. It is IMpossible for an islamic call to prayer to be non religious. You don't like the 'noise'. That is not really relevant to the argument. I don't like loud motorcycle pipes, or crap 'music' blasting from the car next to me. And while we are at it, smokers blowing smoke anywhere near me is intrusive and offensive. However, we are discussing the religious intrusion of church bells vs 'praying?' over loudspeakers.
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When church bells start to bellow out their rendition of Hooked on a Feeling, you'll have an argument, but church bells are labeled as such for a reason. They aren't and never will be secular.

So, as much as you detest Islam, the call to prayer is protected under freedom of religion just as church bells are
 
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#861
Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, you just nullified the point you were trying to make in the first paragraph with the opening lines of the second paragraph. Not all Muslims are going to react with violence over an NEA exhibition.
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Disagree, especially since the reasoning is actually spelled out in the rest of that same 2nd paragraph. It was also never even implied (by me anyway) that "all Muslims" would react in any particular way to anything. This does nothing to change the pretty simple observation that Islam is treated very differently than other religions. At the very least part of this is the genuine and overt concerns of violent reprisal, again in stark contrast to concerns regarding exactly the same thing involving Christ, Buddha, etc.
 
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DinkinFlicka said:
When church bells start to bellow out their rendition of Hooked on a Feeling, you'll have an argument, but church bells are labeled as such for a reason. They aren't and never will be secular.

So, as much as you detest Islam, the call to prayer is protected under freedom of religion just as church bells are
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Hey we got Capone for income tax evasion. Maybe we can get the calls to prayer under noise ordinances.
 
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hog88 said:
Church bells are nowhere near as annoying as the call for payer being blasted over load speakers.
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How annoying something is isn’t relevant. I find vagina hats annoying but if that’s what someone wants to do then so be it.
 
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volfanhill said:
How annoying something is isn’t relevant. I find vagina hats annoying but if that’s what someone wants to do then so be it.
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How annoying something is is very relevant. Noise ordinances are in place for a reason.
 
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SpaceCoastVol said:
Church bells are pleasing music. Call to prayer is annoying noise... to me. I know it bothers your satanic worship group, so YOU might want to file that complaint.

And stop taking this so seriously.
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I'm not taking it seriously, you chode. We're discussing a topic in a thread and you don't agree with my view.

Boo hoo.

Again, objectivity doesn't care about your pet peeve. If you remove one religious public audio display, you remove them all.
 
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Rickyvol77 said:
Islam is the only major religion that it's founder was a violent, slaver, rapist and pedophile who brutally murdered hundreds of thousands of people.. I am pretty sure that is the difference
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Whereas Christianity was founded on the teachings of a decent person but out of which came the Crusades, The Inquisition and systematic pedophilia. It is not possible to estimate the death and maiming totals. Except for the pedophilia we thankfully seem to be in a lull at the moment. I believe that is only because Christian leaders today do not have political and military power as they did in centuries past.
 
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