Islam, is it a religion of peace or war?

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BigO95 said:
Yes sir I have. It's pretty amazing and my family and church really enjoyed it.
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Cool. How do you, your family and church - reconcile things like dinosaur fossils or even more recently, observable evidence of speciation from Homo neanderthalensis to Homo sapien?

Not trying to get into a debate about whether it's wrong or right, mind you - I'm just trying to understand how you weigh the indisputable physical evidence of these things against a immovable belief.
 
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Septic said:
Cool. How do you, your family and church - reconcile things like dinosaur fossils or even more recently, observable evidence of speciation from Homo neanderthalensis to Homo sapien?

Not trying to get into a debate about whether it's wrong or right, mind you - I'm just trying to understand how you weigh the indisputable physical evidence of these things against a immovable belief.
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God created the animals in the first six days of creation. Before the world wide flood of Noah's day the Earth was much different. After the flood the dinosaurs were probably killed off and the planet may not have been as suitable for many of them.
We just look at the same evidence way different.
 
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And I don't think man has ever evolved. Maybe adapted to climates but never evolved from one kind of animal to another.
 
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Septic, have you ever visited the creation museum or the ark museum in Kentucky?
 
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BigO95 said:
God created the animals in the first six days of creation. Before the world wide flood of Noah's day the Earth was much different. After the flood the dinosaurs were probably killed off and the planet may not have been as suitable for many of them.
We just look at the same evidence way different.
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So it's your contention that the dinosaurs coexisted with every other animal? Do you believe they were on the Ark during the flood?
 
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BigO95 said:
And I don't think man has ever evolved. Maybe adapted to climates but never evolved from one kind of animal to another.
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I understand your belief, I think. Beyond that belief, I guess my question is if there is an official explanation that helps you reconcile or account for the mountains of physical evidence that demonstrates the speciation I spoke of? Ham I think has the "kinds" argument, is that your belief as well or do you get to your belief differently?
 
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Septic said:
No, I'm afraid I haven't. If you're right and I'm wrong, I'd be fairly confident that I'd burst into flames somewhere between the parking lot and the front door.
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God delights in saving sinners just like yourself. He is very merciful to all that want his Mercy!
I haven't always been a preacher or Christian. I was 25 before I got saved.
 
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Septic said:
I understand your belief, I think. Beyond that belief, I guess my question is if there is an official explanation that helps you reconcile or account for the mountains of physical evidence that demonstrates the speciation I spoke of? Ham I think has the "kinds" argument, is that your belief as well or do you get to your belief differently?
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I agree with Mr. Ham on the subject of the creation and the evolution of man.
 
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BigO95 said:
God delights in saving sinners just like yourself. He is very merciful to all that want his Mercy!
I haven't always been a preacher or Christian. I was 25 before I got saved.
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I'm pretty sure it wouldn't throw its pearls before my porky butt.
 
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In my personal opinion, I think that the evidence is overwhelming for the flood. I believe that the flood explains most of the questions on the subject of old or young Earth.
 
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BigO95 said:
In my personal opinion, I think that the evidence is overwhelming for the flood. I believe that the flood explains most of the questions on the subject of old or young Earth.
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Is there any evidence, or new piece of information that would make you change your mind or think you are mistaken?
 
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rjd970 said:
Is there any evidence, or new piece of information that would make you change your mind or think you are mistaken?
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To be honest, this God I speak of lives in me. I personally know him and walked with him for nearly 20 years. It would be really hard to convince me otherwise. I have been in his presence many times and he has answered so many prayers that only he and I knew of in exact detail. And my relationship with my God lines up with the Bible just fine. There is no need to doubt him now!
 
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BigO95 said:
To be honest, this God I speak of lives in me. I personally know him and walked with him for nearly 20 years. It would be really hard to convince me otherwise. I have been in his presence many times and he has answered so many prayers that only he and I knew of in exact detail. And my relationship with my God lines up with the Bible just fine. There is no need to doubt him now!
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That is completely fair. I actually admire you for simply stating this, unapologetically. I tend to get frustrated with those that dress it up in weird theology, circular reasoning, and bad philosophy. Just state it for what it is. "It's in the bible, God speaks to me, and that is good enough for me."

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BigO95 said:
In my personal opinion, I think that the evidence is overwhelming for the flood. I believe that the flood explains most of the questions on the subject of old or young Earth.
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Why even mention evidence here? Does it really matter? Why point to evidence that purportedly only supports your position then discard the rest in lieu of "being in God's presence".

Either evidence is useful in your convictions, or it isn't.
 
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Septic said:
Cool. How do you, your family and church - reconcile things like dinosaur fossils or even more recently, observable ne of speciation from Homo sneanderthalensis to Homo sapien?

Not trying to get into a debate about whether it's wrong or right, mind you - I'm just trying to understand how you weigh the indisputable physical evidence of these things against a immovable belief.
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Both have been found to be buried in the same grave sites as modern man so your point is mute.
 
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rjd970 said:
That is completely fair. I actually admire you for simply stating this, unapologetically. I tend to get frustrated with those that dress it up in weird theology, circular reasoning, and bad philosophy. Just state it for what it is. "It's in the bible, God speaks to me, and that is good enough for me."

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Why even mention evidence here? Does it really matter? Why point to evidence that purportedly only supports your position then discard the rest in lieu of "being in God's presence".

Either evidence is useful in your convictions, or it isn't.
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Friend, there is much evidence to support biblical creation. But most folks are not going to receive it.
The fact of the matter is that we both have to believe what we believe by faith. The bottom line is that I simply know God and his word. It still works today!
I appreciate your honesty and I enjoyed the conversation.
 
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BigO95 said:
Friend, there is much evidence to support biblical creation. But most folks are not going to receive it.
The fact of the matter is that we both have to believe what we believe by faith. The bottom line is that I simply know God and his word. It still works today!
I appreciate your honesty and I enjoyed the conversation.
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That works both ways. There is also much evidence that doesn't support it and most believers are not going to receive it.

The difference between your faith and my "faith" is mine is falsifiable and open to new evidence. I can state a long list of evidence that would make me change my mind. We have established that you can't name even one piece of evidence. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is. But let's not categorize your faith as the same as mine.
 
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rjd970 said:
That works both ways. There is also much evidence that doesn't support it and most believers are not going to receive it.

The difference between your faith and my "faith" is mine is falsifiable and open to new evidence. I can state a long list of evidence that would make me change my mind. We have established that you can't name even one piece of evidence. Nothing wrong with that, it is what it is. But let's not categorize your faith as the same as mine.
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No sir, you have much greater faith than I. It takes much more faith to believe in evolution than to believe the biblical account. In my opinion that is...😁
 
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