Israel vs Palestinians

EasternVol · 2024-09-18T23:58:53-0400

bamawriter said:
You condemn them only when called out for failing to do so. Quite brave of you.

You obiously haven't kept up with the thread.

EasternVol · 2024-09-19T00:03:03-0400

bamawriter said:
Nope. I know this is difficult for you to process when your position requires a desperate attempt at equivalency. The loss of Palestinian children is tragic. However, those deaths are the fault of Hamas. If Hamas were to surrender and lay down their arms and Israel were to keep up the violence, then I absolutely would condemn Israel's actions.

To that end, it would be fair to say that I condemn Hamas for the deaths of Palestinian children in this conflict.

It's odd how in your world the people taking aim and firing hold no blame for the direct results of their actions.

bamawriter · 2024-09-19T00:09:18-0400

EasternVol said:
It's odd how in your world the people taking aim and firing hold no blame for the direct results of their actions.

How many Palestinian civilians have been killed by IDF soldiers "taking aim and firing"?

EasternVol · 2024-09-19T00:27:09-0400

bamawriter said:
How many Palestinian civilians have been killed by IDF soldiers that "taking aim and firing"?

Somewhere from quite a few to very many.

bamawriter · 2024-09-19T00:29:19-0400

EasternVol said:
Somewhere from quite a few to very many.

It's your commitment to accuracy that makes your argument so convincing.

Carl Pickens · 2024-09-19T00:32:04-0400

McDad said:
I guess more Gazans need to die, then.

EasternVol · 2024-09-19T07:21:28-0400

bamawriter said:
It's your commitment to accuracy that makes your argument so convincing.

It's your commitment to ignoring reality which makes yours so unconvincing.

bamawriter · 2024-09-19T07:35:20-0400

EasternVol said:
It's your commitment to ignoring reality which makes yours so unconvincing.

Reality is usually pretty easy to quantify.

Orangeslice13 · 2024-09-19T07:54:35-0400

bamawriter said:
Reality is usually pretty easy to quantify.

Seeing as you’re from Bama it’s time to throw the flag as you’re doing too good in this debate

EasternVol · 2024-09-19T08:00:49-0400

bamawriter said:
Reality is usually pretty easy to quantify.

It can be. You should visit it sometime.

bamawriter · 2024-09-19T08:06:41-0400

EasternVol said:
It can be. You should visit it sometime.

If I visit, can you show me where you got your pro-Hamas talking points?

EasternVol · 2024-09-19T08:36:24-0400

bamawriter said:
If I visit, can you show me wear you got your pro-Hamas talking points?

Weak effort, you should really be able to do better. I don't have any pro-hamas talking points. Criticism of one side doesn't mean praise for the other. Even a gump should know that.

bamawriter · 2024-09-19T08:40:32-0400

EasternVol said:
Weak effort, you should really be able to do better. I don't have any pro-hamas talking points. Criticism of one side doesn't mean praise for the other. Even a gump should know that.

Fair enough. With that in mind, what do you think should be the realistic outcome of this conflict? And I don't mean "women and children should stop being killed." That's a platitude. We all agree on that.

McDad · 2024-09-19T10:15:13-0400

bamawriter said:
Fair enough. With that in mind, what do you think should be the realistic outcome of this conflict? And I don't mean "women and children should stop being killed." That's a platitude. We all agree on that.

The realistic outcome should be all people live in a place of self determination, a place of safety, and with healthy relationships with neighboring countries.

The realistic outcome will be conflict which continues on forever until one group is eliminated. Historically that is the weaker, smaller, and poorer group.

volinbham · 2024-09-19T10:59:24-0400

predictable

AOC, Bernie Sanders lead action against Israel after shocking pager attacks on Hezbollah

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is demanding an investigation into whether any U.S. resources went toward Israel’s coordinated explosion of Hezbollah pagers.

www.foxnews.com

utvolpj · 2024-09-19T11:00:45-0400

volinbham said:
predictable

AOC, Bernie Sanders lead action against Israel after shocking pager attacks on Hezbollah

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is demanding an investigation into whether any U.S. resources went toward Israel’s coordinated explosion of Hezbollah pagers.

www.foxnews.com

But appreciated. No need for an investigation when they can just cut off all funding. Get to it!

85SugarVol · 2024-09-19T11:04:13-0400

volinbham said:
predictable

AOC, Bernie Sanders lead action against Israel after shocking pager attacks on Hezbollah

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is demanding an investigation into whether any U.S. resources went toward Israel’s coordinated explosion of Hezbollah pagers.

www.foxnews.com

AOC probably threw away all of her electronic devices. Of course she’s angry about it.

CobbVol · 2024-09-19T11:05:58-0400

volinbham said:
predictable

AOC, Bernie Sanders lead action against Israel after shocking pager attacks on Hezbollah

Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez is demanding an investigation into whether any U.S. resources went toward Israel’s coordinated explosion of Hezbollah pagers.

www.foxnews.com

Would love for Schumer to bring this to a vote in the Senate before the election and get the anti-Israel Senators on record.

utvolpj · 2024-09-19T11:16:00-0400

CobbVol said:
Would love for Schumer to bring this to a vote in the Senate before the election and get the anti-Israel Senators on record.

How is wanting to block arms sales being "anti-Israel"?

Ritzwatch · 2024-09-19T11:17:37-0400

utvolpj said:
How is wanting to block arms sales being "anti-Israel"?

Exactly.

I thought it was "anti-Ukraine", or worse, "pro-Russia."

I losing track at this point.

85SugarVol · 2024-09-19T11:20:54-0400

Anybody check Medhi Hasan & Ayman Mohyedlin to see if they still have all their fingers?

KB5252 · 2024-09-19T11:22:38-0400

utvolpj said:
How is wanting to block arms sales being "anti-Israel"?

With enemies on every border denying arms to Israel means they lack the means to defend themselves. Or effectively prosecute the war they are fighting with Hamas and Hezbollah.

I can agree that the war against Hamas should effectively be complete and if hostages are released I believe it would be. The bigger threat has always been Iran and Hezbollah though.

CobbVol · 2024-09-19T11:25:30-0400

utvolpj said:
How is wanting to block arms sales being "anti-Israel"?

Because they are in a war, an ally to the U.S., and the only democratic country in the region.

utvolpj · 2024-09-19T11:27:32-0400

KB5252 said:
With enemies on every border denying arms to Israel means they lack the means to defend themselves. Or effectively prosecute the war they are fighting with Hamas and Hezbollah.

I can agree that the war against Hamas should effectively be complete and if hostages are released I believe it would be. The bigger threat has always been Iran and Hezbollah though.

It's not the responsibility of the USA to arm everyone. They can learn to make their own, buy from someone else or maybe seek a peaceful resolution. And no matter what the arms manufacturing lobby says, it's not to create jobs in this country.

utvolpj · 2024-09-19T11:29:28-0400

CobbVol said:
Because they are in a war, an ally to the U.S., and the only democratic country in the region.

Oh sure, they're an ally. Will that lock us into the coming war with Iran? If only we had been warned about entanglements sooner

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