Israel vs Palestinians

[SpaceCoastVol]

A strong leader would have been a deterrent. Biden is not a strong leader by any stretch of the imagination.

That being said it might not have made a difference but weak leadership certainly hasn't helped.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

That Sheriff will be Harris

Dear God I hope not.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

Trump's mercurial nature is not a good thing in a scenario rapidly unfolding like this one, and for at least two reasons.

First and foremost, he is motivated to do only what he thinks will earn him praise, either from the combatants or here at home, and only in the here and now. He has no concept of restraint for the long term benefit of everyone else.

Second, and not far behind, unpredictability is what leads to miscalculation. If he were to talk about striking Iran, for example, with US aircraft thinking he's going to be lauded as a tough guy (by people with their own agendas) he may engender a preemptive attack by Iran that only makes things worse because they cannot reasonably anticipate a calm and measured or appropriate response by him.

The MAGA crowd likes Trump because they buy into the notion that his saber rattling is a good thing. Wish they'd see the false bravado for what it is and understand that response and counter-response right now are best left to the level-headed professionals in the military, and not Trump thinking of tomorrow's headlines how he, and he alone, took some great action.

LOL

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

What line of thinking does this fall under? I’m ok w/ this btw

Let me guess.... "We strenuously object"

 

[theFallGuy]

No doubt, but it's strength and power projected by a leader who's mental capacity and ability to effectively communicate is severely diminished.

He's weak and vulnerable at home. He's not projecting US strength and power.

Like I said, maybe it wouldn't have made a difference but strong leadership has deterred conflict in the past.

it's the optics. If most American citizens see out mentally incapable Biden is as President, does anyone really think any country is going to take him seriously when negotiating conflicts or cease fires? It's absurd. His whole character screams weakness in the eyes of our enemies. he can't even put 2 words together

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

lol Hezbollah fires rockets for almost a year. How would that not make Israel the victim here?

Because they fired one back and killed Nasrallah. He was a good and kind man. I have seen his 8th grade graduation picture.

 

[hndog609]

Because they fired one back and killed Nasrallah. He was a good and kind man. I have seen his 8th grade graduation picture.

I love how that's pretty much become a trope now.

 

[volgr]

lol Hezbollah fires rockets for almost a year. How would that not make Israel the victim here?

Because this conflict is much older than a year?

 

[n_huffhines]

it's the optics. If most American citizens see out mentally incapable Biden is as President, does anyone really think any country is going to take him seriously when negotiating conflicts or cease fires? It's absurd. His whole character screams weakness in the eyes of our enemies. he can't even put 2 words together

But he can cut funding with an XO. It doesn't matter how stupid he sounds when he threatens it. The fear comes from the gravy train stopping.

 

[NorthDallas40]

No, I feel it is the perfect analogy. it is classic „blame the victim“ reasoning

It’s directly in line with @volgr ’s body of work in the Ukraine thread. He’s got a habit of propping up dictatorship regimes.

 

[Redleg68]

I'd have to go back and look, I do not remember it well.

Notably, with today's developments, Trump has rather predictability and brashly undermined faith in our response or ability to respond because he thinks it will help him.

I think its irresponsible of him to do so at the moment. But it is as I say entirely predictable that he would do so.

Man, there is no responsibility and truth anywhere up there in that beltway.

 

[Vol8188]

Because this conflict is much older than a year?

Lmfao

 

[Matt2496]

It certainly could be considered so I would think. So, if Russia gives U.S. enemies in the middle east long-range missiles and they target nuclear facilities in the U.S., would the U.S. consider that nuclear war?

LOL

 

[LSU-SIU]

LOL

There was no joke, it was a question. I don't think you're exactly thinking things through, if I were to guess. The joke would be expecting that causing a nuclear disaster wouldn't have some type of consequence.

 

[BigOrangeTrain]

So how much emergency money does Israel get now?

 

[PEPPERJAX]

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Ya got nothing.

 

[Vol8188]

lol. When Israel sabotaged Iranian centrifuges, was that considered “nuclear” war?

If a country openly calls for your destruction and is trying to build nuclear weapons, you 100% should destroy their capability to do so.

 

[volgr]

It’s directly in line with @volgr ’s body of work in the Ukraine thread. He’s got a habit of propping up dictatorship regimes.

Even if your premise were true, which it isnt and never is, the US's foreign policy has done nothing but drive support higher for these alleged "dictators".

 

[LSU-SIU]

If a country openly calls for your destruction and is trying to build nuclear weapons, you 100% should destroy their capability to do so.

Than you would already be in a nuclear war.

 

[Vol8188]

Than you would already be in a nuclear war.

A cold one and not yet nuclear

 

[Orangeburst]

'We should strike Khamenei' Senior Israeli official calls for action against Iranian leadership

"We should expect to strike government centers," the official said.

www.jpost.com

pretty much all out war at that point.

 

[LSU-SIU]

A cold one and not yet nuclear

No, you have several countries that have made threats including North Korea.

As far as Israel, that place will be inhabitable even if Iran doesn't have working nukes i.e. dirty bombs and missiles. Its pure nuclear war at that point.

 

[volgr]

As I said earlier today, Israel is the strongest lobby in DC and there isnt a close second. Anyone acting like the Biden Admin or Trump admin wont do Israel's bidding, has fooled themselves or fallen for political theater.

 

[NorthDallas40]

Even if your premise were true, which it isnt and never is, the US's foreign policy has done nothing but drive support higher for these alleged "dictators".

Oh I’m spot on, sis. Your body of work speaks for itself.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

So how much emergency money does Israel get now?

Nothing compared to Ukraine.