Israel vs Palestinians

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Smokey123 said:
I never said they were common lol. People said they have never happened which is incorrect, then You asked for one over ideology. I provided one
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Sure, if you wanna call it that. During the BLM riots they would classify 3 people with a poster as a “protest” - it’s how they got the numbers for “97% peaceful”.

No one is ever going to convince me that the people of Gaza, in any real numbers, object to Hamas’ genocidal crusade against the Jews - because there is zero evidence to suggest they do.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Sure, if you wanna call it that. During the BLM riots they would classify 3 people with a poster as a “protest” - it’s how they got the numbers for “97% peaceful”.

No one is ever going to convince me that the people of Gaza, in any real numbers, object to Hamas’ genocidal crusade against the Jews - because there is zero evidence to suggest they do.
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Loother maff
 
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85SugarVol said:
Sure, if you wanna call it that. During the BLM riots they would classify 3 people with a poster as a “protest” - it’s how they got the numbers for “97% peaceful”.

No one is ever going to convince me that the people of Gaza, in any real numbers, object to Hamas’ genocidal crusade against the Jews - because there is zero evidence to suggest they do.
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You expect them hold giant protests with 10’s of thousands of people while getting bombs dropped on their home by Israel while also being murdered by their own government? You’re right, Maybe they should stop running for shelter and instead go into the terror tunnels to protest Hamas. I’m sure that will drive out Hamas and save their life

There’s no numbers to suggest either way. It’s a subjective opinion
 
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Smokey123 said:
You expect them hold giant protests with 10’s of thousands of people while getting bombs dropped on their home by Israel while also being murdered by their own government? You’re right, Maybe they should stop running for shelter and instead go into the terror tunnels to protest Hamas. I’m sure that will drive out Hamas and save their life

There’s no numbers to suggest either way. It’s a subjective opinion
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Yes, maybe they should do something about an oppressive regime other than provide them aid and comfort, and hide their hostages.

There are no real numbers to suggest they oppose, for multiple reasons.

But they certainly show up and show out for celebratory gatherings after 10/7, and to watch coffins of dead Jewish babies.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes, maybe they should do something about an oppressive regime other than provide them aid and comfort, and hide their hostages.

There are no real numbers to suggest they oppose, for multiple reasons.

But they certainly show up and show out for celebratory gatherings after 10/7, and to watch coffins of dead Jewish babies.
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Providing them aid? Hamas literally beats Gazans that try to get aid from the trucks that come in. They confiscate it and use it as a tool to control them

Ya obviously some support the terrorists and are themselves. I’ve never stated otherwise
 
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bamawriter said:
Sure. Here is a link to a list of all the public uprisings against Hamas in the last 20 years:
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Are you sure? There was nothing in 2006/07 or 2023 or in between?
I'm sure you can clarify how lack of resistance to a dictatorship equals sinking to a level below barbarism too.
And while you're at it, kindly point out how I'm intellectually dishonest.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Providing them aid? Hamas literally beats Gazans that try to get aid from the trucks that come in. They confiscate it and use it as a tool to control them

Ya obviously some support the terrorists and are themselves. I’ve never stated otherwise
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Yes, provide them “aid and comfort” in their mission. Not boxes off the back of damn truck lol.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Yes, provide them “aid and comfort” in their mission. Not boxes off the back of damn truck lol.
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Yes I’m sure the majority of Gazan are aiding Hamas in their terrorism. While the kids are in class they’re probably actually building the tunnels themselves. The sick and wounded in hospital are probably just a cover for them they’re probably the ones launching rockets at Israel. I’m sure they’re voluntarily being human shields and sacrifices for Hamas so moms can watch their children be killed in front of them but at least Hamas can keep fighting the good fight
 
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EasternVol said:
Are you sure? There was nothing in 2006/07 or 2023 or in between?
I'm sure you can clarify how lack of resistance to a dictatorship equals sinking to a level below barbarism too.
And while you're at it, kindly point out how I'm intellectually dishonest.
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Yes, I'm sure.

"Lack of resistance" is a fun way of saying "stores hostages, hides terrorists, and celebrates the slaughter of innocent civilians or does nothing in the face of all three."

"Prove that someone didn't do something," is extremely dishonest.
 
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Smokey123 said:
Yes I’m sure the majority of Gazan are aiding Hamas in their terrorism. While the kids are in class they’re probably actually building the tunnels themselves. The sick and wounded in hospital are probably just a cover for them they’re probably the ones launching rockets at Israel. I’m sure they’re voluntarily being human shields and sacrifices for Hamas so moms can watch their children be killed in front of them but at least Hamas can keep fighting the good fight
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Your hyperbole is unconvincing. Hamas can’t do what they do without support from the people of Gaza.
 
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85SugarVol said:
Your hyperbole is unconvincing. Hamas can’t do what they do without support from the people of Gaza.
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Hamas can do whatever they want when they are controlled by the IRGC and they murder anyone they deem out of line. They beat and killed multiple gazans the day after the ceasefire for “collaborating with the Zionists”
 
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Smokey123 said:
Hamas can do whatever they want when they are controlled by the IRGC and they murder anyone they deem out of line. They beat and killed multiple gazans the day after the ceasefire for “collaborating with the Zionists”
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It’s wild that you don’t think there is material support being given by Gazans in numbers.

Hiding fighters, holding hostages, aiding, abetting. And you seem to think they’re all choir boys, pure as the driven snow.
 
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85SugarVol said:
It’s wild that you don’t think there is material support being given by Gazans in numbers.

Hiding fighters, holding hostages, aiding, abetting. And you seem to think they’re all choir boys, pure as the driven snow.
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Definitely don’t think they’re choir boys lmaooo and definitely never once said or implied that. If you want to provide numbers that the majority of gazans are doing that go ahead I’d love to see the numbers that over 1 million gazans celebrate the death of Jews, kidnap Jews, hold hostages and aid in their killings

Insane that people believe there’s only 2 extreme opinions to be had. It’s either all Jews are the devil and kills children or all gazans are evil and should be eradicated. It’s ridiculous
 
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Smokey123 said:
Definitely don’t think they’re choir boys lmaooo and definitely never once said or implied that. If you want to provide numbers that the majority of gazans are doing that go ahead I’d love to see the numbers that over 1 million gazans celebrate the death of Jews, kidnap Jews, hold hostages and aid in their killings

Insane that people believe there’s only 2 extreme opinions to be had. It’s either all Jews are the devil and kills children or all gazans are evil and should be eradicated. It’s ridiculous
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There is no evidence of widespread pushback against Hamas.
There is ample evidence of support and cheering on of Hamas.

No one said all Gazans are evil and should be eradicated. That’s just a strawman.
 
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bamawriter said:
Yes, I'm sure.

"Lack of resistance" is a fun way of saying "stores hostages, hides terrorists, and celebrates the slaughter of innocent civilians or does nothing in the face of all three."

"Prove that someone didn't do something," is extremely dishonest.
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Then you're wrong.
It's not that fun but it may be your kink. It also means not rocking the boat so you don't get disappeared. And yet there was resistance, how about that.
Making false assertions is dishonest. Calling someone out for those false assertions isn't.
 
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85SugarVol said:
There is no evidence of widespread pushback against Hamas.
There is ample evidence of support and cheering on of Hamas.

No one said all Gazans are evil and should be eradicated. That’s just a strawman.
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There literally is. Sorry you are in a western world bubble. It’s like saying there’s no pushback against the IRGC. There’s literally been people in this thread call for that….
 
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85SugarVol said:
Another strawman.
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It’s not a strawman at all. It’s the same way people say Israel is preforming a genocide. You think if there was a real genocide going on the Palestinian population would keep going up? You don’t think they’d be eradicated already? Just like if there was million+ actively helping kidnap and kill Jews there would be a helluva lot more than 1200 killed and you know that
 
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EasternVol said:
Soldiers commit crimes during war and get arrested. That's normal. What's abnormal is people protesting the arrest of criminals.
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It's not there. It's completely normal. There was no rush for the authority in Gaza to seek out the perpetrators of the Oct7th attacks. In fact they were celebrated.... Welcome home as heroes.... Rape, murder and torture were all celebrated that day.


Had the authority in Gaza arrested them there certainly would have been protest against it.


Point is that's the savagery of this conflict and hate between these two groups of people........ It isn't rational, and perhaps that's even more reason to divide these people permanently. There are no resolutions, there are no peace treaties being successful. Only death, only destruction.
 
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Smokey123 said:
It’s not a strawman at all. It’s the same way people say Israel is preforming a genocide. You think if there was a real genocide going on the Palestinian population would keep going up? You don’t think they’d be eradicated already? Just like if there was million+ actively helping kidnap and kill Jews there would be a helluva lot more than 1200 killed and you know that
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No one said there were “over 1 million Gazans” kidnapping and killing Jews. That’s a strawman.
 
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