Israel vs Palestinians

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hog88 said:
If just 250,000 Gazans actively opposed Hamas they would be out of power
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highly doubtful, when you’re controlled by the most powerful org in the ME (maybe 2nd behind Israel) it’s easy to have power. Unless you’re talking about a violent uprising and actually overthrowing them then yes I’d agree
 
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Orangeslice13 said:
They had 15 years and said almost nothing.
They had months after 10/7 before the bombs and said almost nothing. Because they overwhelmingly support the destruction of Israel by whoever they think can get it done
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Maybe maybe not. It’s really subjective. My personal opinion the majority would much rather live in peace. There’s obviously a large portion that do want Jews dead and Israel to be destroyed however I don’t think that’s the majority

I think if it was the large majority that are nothing more than terrorist we can both agree there’d be a lot more than 1200 Israelis dead, no?
 
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85SugarVol said:
Lol so you’re talking about the polling?!

Yes, the polling consistently shows that Hamas enjoys 60-80% support from the Gazan public.

That != “1 million Gazans kidnapping and killing Jews”
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I’m not talking about polling.

You said the people of Gaza should stop aiding in the killing of Jews and that no real numbers oppose Hamas. So either you think the majority of Gazans are terrorist in that case there would be more than 1200 Jews killed. Or you’re letting the minority drive the narrative and speak for 2+ million people, that’s even more ridiculous
 
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bamawriter said:
They've done nothing to oppose these animals for 2 decades.
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If I read correctly, the Gaza civilians were the ones who held the mother and her two children hostage.

The big lie everyone wants you to believe is that the people of Gaza are your average innocent civilians. A large percentage of them actively support what Hamas is doing and even get involved. They were celebrating when Hamas was bringing the coffins through the streets.
 
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Smokey123 said:
highly doubtful, when you’re controlled by the most powerful org in the ME (maybe 2nd behind Israel) it’s easy to have power. Unless you’re talking about a violent uprising and actually overthrowing them then yes I’d agree
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If Hamas is such a tiny portion of the Gazonian population it wouldn't take much for a 100-200 thousand people to overthrow their oppressors.
 
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Smokey123 said:
There have numerous over the years for living conditions, Hamas taking funding, ect. There’s been a few small ones against them during this conflict now. But they get shutdown very quickly, nor do they even get posted by the western world

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Now we are talking! This is what I was asking for Smokey! (Admittedly, I have no idea what it says, I assume it is anti-conflict.)

(For the life of me I can not figure out why some keyboard warriors here take everything as a challenge, rather than an opportunity to engage in something productive, so I appreciate your response. As you stated, such posts are quickly shutdown, or never are posted, so thank you.)

As to your post, I think that your assessment of the situation is correct. I am certain there are some Gazans who abhor the violence against the Israelis, just as there are Israelis who have been vocal about disagreeing with current Israeli policy in Gaza.

The difference between the two groups of dissidents is this: The Gazans, in Gaza, who are identified as being unsupportive of conflict with the Israelis are quickly silenced, presumably by their own governing authority (Hamas). Those Israelis/Jews who speak out against Israel are given a microphone on the world stage.

The fact that so many in the anti-Israel crowd refuse to publicly recognize the continued oppression by Palestinians (Hamas) against Palestinians (anti-conflict Gazans) is remarkable to me.
 
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Smokey123 said:
There’s been an estimated 40+ thousands civilians die, and 80+ % of buildings and homes destroyed. But yes I’m sure Israel can’t destroy them because the majority of Gazans are terrorists
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Wait a second, every stat I see is around 40 thousand Gonzos have died and never a breakdown on how many "innocent" Gazatarians vs Hamas members.
 
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Ritzwatch said:
Now we are talking! This is what I was asking for Smokey! (Admittedly, I have no idea what it says, I assume it is anti-conflict.)

(For the life of me I can not figure out why some keyboard warriors here take everything as a challenge, rather than an opportunity to engage in something productive, so I appreciate your response. As you stated, such posts are quickly shutdown, or never are posted, so thank you.)

As to your post, I think that your assessment of the situation is correct. I am certain there are some Gazans who abhor the violence against the Israelis, just as there are Israelis who have been vocal about disagreeing with current Israeli policy in Gaza.

The difference between the two groups of dissidents is this: The Gazans, in Gaza, who are identified as being unsupportive of conflict with the Israelis are quickly silenced, presumably by their own governing authority (Hamas). Those Israelis/Jews who speak out against Israel are given a microphone on the world stage.

The fact that so many in the anti-Israel crowd refuse to publicly recognize the continued oppression by Palestinians (Hamas) against Palestinians (anti-conflict Gazans) is remarkable to me.
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100% agreed. The anti-Israel crowd that supports Hamas(or any IRGC proxy) and calls them “freedom fighters” is doing far more harm than good for the Palestinian people. For many their hate for Israel goes beyond their “support” for Palestine. When innocent women and children in the ME are killed by anyone other Israelis the west is silent
 
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bamawriter said:
This is Hamas' number of total Gazan casualties during the war. Are you suggesting that Israel hasn't managed to kill a single Hamas combatant during the entire conflict?
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There’s numerous people putting out numbers and theyre estimates we likely won’t know anything for months or years. There was a recent study that concluded palestinians MoH numbers are underestimated and it’s up to 78k but more than likely around 64k, if you take that number and subtract Israel saying 20k Hamas members have been killed it’s around the 40k range.
 
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