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EasternVol said:
Far less than half the people in Gaza voted for hamas. The election was 18 years ago, the median age there is 18, and hamas didn't get a big majority of the votes. So it's not correct to say that the people of Gaza 2024 voted for hamas. That's about the 37th time this has been mentioned here.
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Far less than half the people in Germany voted for the Nazis in 1933. By 1945, that election was 12 years old. So I guess we could also say that the people of Germany 1945 didn’t vote for National Socialism. Does that mean we should not have continued the war until victory?

As ole Barry Obama famously said “Elections have consequences”.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Far less than half the people in Germany voted for the Nazis in 1933. By 1945, that election was 12 years old. So I guess we could also say that the people of Germany 1945 didn’t vote for National Socialism. Does that mean we should not have continued the war until victory?

As ole Barry Obama famously said “Elections have consequences”.
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It means we shouldn't have slaughtered their civilians regardless of how they voted and the 'Gazans voted for Hamas so they deserve what they get' line is BS.
If you'd concentrate less on making excuses for your boys and girls and more on right and wrong you'd spend less time making pointless arguments.
 
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EasternVol said:
Let's go with the 1920's.
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Fair enough. It will not surprise you I am sure that I would go back further but I will stick with the 1920’s for now.
I would agree that if you start in the 20’s it would feel like the Arab population of the levant would indeed have a reason to feel somewhat aggrieved. Personal history is what it is and the only life they had ever known would have been being turned upside down.
Of course I would turn back the clock to just a few years earlier because of WWI in which Centuries of Ottoman rule abruptly ceased and the British were left to redraw the map of the Middle East. And of course the Brits were know for clumsiness and imprecision in that sort of thing. That to me is where the “modern” problems all started.
Will continue later today…..
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Fair enough. It will not surprise you I am sure that I would go back further but I will stick with the 1920’s for now.
I would agree that if you start in the 20’s it would feel like the Arab population of the levant would indeed have a reason to feel somewhat aggrieved. Personal history is what it is and the only life they had ever known would have been being turned upside down.
Of course I would turn back the clock to just a few years earlier because of WWI in which Centuries of Ottoman rule abruptly ceased and the British were left to redraw the map of the Middle East. And of course the Brits were know for clumsiness and imprecision in that sort of thing. That to me is where the “modern” problems all started.
Will continue later today…..
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That relative peace they always talk about never existed. It was fine when the Arabs persecuted Jews indiscriminately. But when the shoe was on the other foot and Jews could no longer be subjugated….now it’s a problem.
 
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OrangeTsar said:
Far less than half the people in Germany voted for the Nazis in 1933. By 1945, that election was 12 years old. So I guess we could also say that the people of Germany 1945 didn’t vote for National Socialism. Does that mean we should not have continued the war until victory?

As ole Barry Obama famously said “Elections have consequences”.
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No, it means that we should not have killed innocent civilians in Dresden, Hamburg and the millions more Germans after the war.

You still don't get it. Kill the Nazis or kill Hamas, but not the civilians. This really isn't that hard to understand if you are a normal human being.
 
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Points that many of us have known ...

From the article:

In May, the World Food Programme (WFP) of the UN claimed, without a shred of evidence, that there was a "full blown famine" in Gaza.

Now, it turns out, it was all a big lie. There was no famine, there is no famine and Israel has not been using hunger as a "weapon of war." In its report published on June 4, the UN's IPC [Integrated Food Security Phase Classification] concluded that famine was no longer even "plausible" and had no "supporting evidence."

For months the media has reported casualty figures directly from Hamas' propaganda machine, also known as the Gaza Health Ministry, which the UN Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs (OCHA) happily and uncritically publishes on its website on a daily basis. Why the UN is acting as a Hamas spokesperson is intriguing, at least officially, but nevertheless it seems the main source for journalists reporting on Gaza casualties.

Hamas has been enlisting children under the age of 15 for decades. Hamas also runs military summer camps for children, where they train with the al-Qassam Brigades.
www.gatestoneinstitute.org

Big Lies About Israel

For months, Israel has refuted libelous claims of famine in Gaza, as international organizations -- especially the UN and the EU, the International Court of Justice and mainstream media alongside NGOs such as Human Rights Watch -- pushed the false,
www.gatestoneinstitute.org www.gatestoneinstitute.org
 
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