It doesn’t work… it never has…

[BruinVol]

3rd down conversion ranking by season
2021 - 24th
2022 - 43rd
2023 - 39th

First if All that’s not 3rd and long


Second of all that’s not good for the number 1 offense in the country a year ago…


Shockingly this year is better lol

 

[ThreatLevelOrange]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

I’ll look at what he did against Alabama (twice), LSU, Clemson, and disregard your take. Tillman even got 200 yards receiving vs Georgia in 2021. We don’t have the same level or depth of talent this year. If you want to say the coach isn’t smart, you do you.

 

[BowlBrother85]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

Ignorant.

Tennessee beat Alabama, LSU and Clemson last season. All 3 won at least 10 games. Some other scores you conveniently left out :

2021

Tennessee .... 62
Missouri ....... 24

2022

Kentucky ..... 6
Tennessee ... 44

Missouri ....... 24
Tennessee ... 66

We have seen what Heupel can do with elite talent. Just because you would like to forget 2022, doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

 

[Vol8188]

First if All that’s not 3rd and long


Second of all that’s not good for the number 1 offense in the country a year ago…


Shockingly this year is better lol

Show us your data. Where’s this third and long data you have?

 

[volfan411]

I think a question the naysayers should ask themselves is how many of our offensive starters would start at GA or ALA??

I would make the case for McCoy, Wright, and maybe Sampson at the skill positions and maybe Mays and Campbell on the line.

I could see one of these teams using Squirrel on designed plays but no way would he be a #1 on either.

 

[BruinVol]

Show us your data. Where’s this third and long data you have?

Well now that we have overall 3rd down stats and they aren’t good …. What do you think it will say??


Btw here’s a helpful hint….last year we were very good on 3rd and short. Small was a good short yardage back a year ago

 

[BruinVol]

Ignorant.

Tennessee beat Alabama, LSU and Clemson last season. All 3 won at least 10 games. Some other scores you conveniently left out :

2021

Tennessee .... 62
Missouri ....... 24

2022

Kentucky ..... 6
Tennessee ... 44

Missouri ....... 24
Tennessee ... 66

We have seen what Heupel can do with elite talent. Just because you would like to forget 2022, doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

Damn good elite teams there.. lol

 

[BowlBrother85]

Damn good elite teams there.. lol

Alabama went 11-2
Clemson went 11-3
LSU went 10-4

Alabama finished the season ranked #4 in the final CFP poll. I would call that elite.

You made the comment that, "We have a coach who puts up big numbers vs bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped by good ones. Always has and always will!" That was hyperbolic and childish. It was also easily de-bunked with opposing examples.

 

[BruinVol]

Alabama went 11-2
Clemson went 11-3
LSU went 10-4

Alabama finished the season ranked #4 in the final CFP poll. I would call that elite.

You made the comment that, "We have a coach who puts up big numbers vs bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped by good ones. Always has and always will!" That was hyperbolic and childish. It was also easily de-bunked with opposing examples.

Now that’s a good rebuttal …


Using mizzu and the kitties not so much

 

[Kylo]

Cry more?

 

[VAVol85]

The word on the street is, Hooker and Golesh made him looked better than he really is. Might should share some of his overpaid salary with Hooker and Golesh.

What street would that be?

 

[volbound1700]

The only thing that works is what Saban and Smart are doing. The other teams have all sucked this year and have systems that don't work like usually. Can't recruit, can't coach, Saban and Smart 8-0 in SEC play again. Georgia won over 28 straight games... yeah sounds like the sport is just top heavy.

This isn't just a Heupel or Tennessee issue.

 

[BowlBrother85]

What street would that be?

Do you have to ask? Gay Street .... of course.

 

[BruinVol]

The only thing that works is what Saban and Smart are doing. The other teams have all sucked this year and have systems that don't work like usually. Can't recruit, can't coach, Saban and Smart 8-0 in SEC play again. Georgia won over 28 straight games... yeah sounds like the sport is just top heavy.

This isn't just a Heupel or Tennessee issue.

Fair

And we aren’t recruiting better than florida either at the moment… not if 8-4 isn’t an acceptable year. It is for me Ftr

 

[BowlBrother85]

The word on the street is, Hooker and Golesh made him looked better than he really is. Might should share some of his overpaid salary with Hooker and Golesh.

It's the system that Heupel has been running since he was at Utah State. Golesh did not join his staff until he was in his 2nd season at UCF.

.... and Hendon Hooker was not some generational talent. He was a transfer from Virginia Tech, who had been benched. There was nothing in Hooker's time at Virginia Tech that would have led anyone to believe that he was capable of having the kind of season he did last year. In the words of AC/DC, "Who Made Who?"

 

[temptn]

We went 11-2 last year…

And we finished 6th in the country last year and at one point was ranked number one (oh and beat Bama, and Florida, and LSU)

 

[temptn]

Even better.........let's move all these asinine threads into their own forum and they can sit in their own echo chamber and complain and whine to each other.

We can call it "The Troll forum" or "I played JV football so I know"...........granted we'll have to post a suicide hotline # as a sticky

.
JV is a real stretch.

 

[AthensVol2007]

Ignorant.

Tennessee beat Alabama, LSU and Clemson last season. All 3 won at least 10 games. Some other scores you conveniently left out :

2021

Tennessee .... 62
Missouri ....... 24

2022

Kentucky ..... 6
Tennessee ... 44

Missouri ....... 24
Tennessee ... 66

We have seen what Heupel can do with elite talent. Just because you would like to forget 2022, doesn't mean the rest of us have to.

In his defense he said against teams that won 9+ games. Mizzou didn’t do that either year nor did UK last year so his point of beating up the avg to mediocre teams stands. It is to be expected that the numbers would be less vs better teams but again to his point, being cut in half is a little concerning.

 

[BruinVol]

In his defense he said against teams that won 9+ games. Mizzou didn’t do that either year nor did UK last year so his point of beating up the avg to mediocre teams stands. It is to be expected that the numbers would be less vs better teams but again to his point, being cut in half is a little concerning.

Yea the half is the issue. If I get bored this week I’ll look at other teams to compare. Ole miss for sure has a huge disparity this season anyways. Their offense has been awful against Georgia and bama this season but again we aren’t chasing Ole miss. As many times as I say 8-4 years an acceptable the masses won’t be that patient. We somehow have to close the gap on the big boys and 3 years in we haven’t

 

[WiseOlVol]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

C’mon, Man. Last year, Vols had #1 offense in FBS, SEC POY and Belitnikoff winner. He beat Saban, Kelly and Dabo.

 

[BowlBrother85]

In his defense he said against teams that won 9+ games. Mizzou didn’t do that either year nor did UK last year so his point of beating up the avg to mediocre teams stands. It is to be expected that the numbers would be less vs better teams but again to his point, being cut in half is a little concerning.

No, it doesn't .... As I pointed out, Alabama, LSU and Clemson all won at least 10 games last season. Tennessee scored 52, 40 and 31 points against them and won all 3 games. LSU was on the road and Clemson was on a neutral field. Tennessee's offense was great against Bama and LSU. Less so against Clemson, but that was with Milton at QB. When Heupel had a QB who fit the system, his offense was dynamic.

 

[sami]

Take the emotion out of it and just look at the numbers…



44 pts a game vs 23 when we play good teams



That’s way more than it should be. We
Led the country is scoring offense a year ago scoring 5 more pts than Georgia did per game…

No one is their right mind would come on here and say our offense was better than theirs.


JH offense doesn’t work against the good defenses and that’s proven over the course of 5 years

"Take the emotion out of it" ??? That's a joke, right? The entire 'burn the place down' crowd that descended on this forum last night was 150 proof emotion with zero thought or logic.

You're stating simple numbers with absolutely no context, which is a nice way to further rile up the nitwits looking at Heupel's buyout and wondering when he'll be fired, but don't stand up to real scrutiny.

This is year three (actually 2 1/2 given how late a start he got) following the program being penalized scholarships and 30 players (including much of the best talent) leaving. It takes 4-5 years to rebuild a down program under normal circumstances, without the obstacles Heupel faced here.

He won 11 games last year with a thin, patchwork roster primarily because of extraordinary performances from a few players that developed into draft worthy players in his offense. And we were lucky health-wise last year until Hooker went down.

This year, with all that lost talent, we're still a couple of recruiting cycles from having the depth to really compete in this conference, and we got hammered with injuries to the point of playing 3rd and 4th stringers on the OL, at WR, and in the secondary. That might explain why the offense has struggled against better defenses - it isn't rocket science.

With all of that, we're a win over Vandy from being 8-4. Now I know that you and others believed after last year that anything less than 11 wins and going toe to toe with Georgia was a given from that point on, but the real world works differently. This was always going to be a transition season, with most seeing us with 7-9 wins.

The Florida and Missouri games were disasters, no question. But to even consider tossing out a coach who is 25-12 off of a dumpster fire, including a top 6 finish last year, and has a 5-star QB and WR coming in on top of top 15 recruiting classes, and starting over again, is the height of childish stupidity. On top of that, what respectable coach in their right mind would even think about coming to a place where coaches are treated in such a mindless, haphazard manner?

Sorry for the rant, but the fact that anyone paying the slightest attention could seriously believe this way is mind-blowingly absurd.

 

[EZE]

@Freak please just lock down the entire forum. The stupidity tonight is just mind boggling.

It really is. Astounding.

 

[EZE]

CJH is supposed to be some offensive genius…. Well he isn’t and never has been..


Hear me out.

I’ve gone back and studied all of his 5 years coaching offense in the SEC(1 game shy) and the results are glaring. The man feast on bad teams, runs up stats and routinely gets embarrassed by the good defenses.

Here are the results when you look at his pts per game against OOC opponents(not counting bowls) vs his pts per games vs 9 win SEC teams…


CJH offenses average 44 pts a game against the lesser SEC teams and OOC opponents.



CJH offenses average 23 pts a game against 9 win SEC teams. (Keep in mind that incudes 52(bama), 45 (Kentucky) and 40(LsU) so without those 3 that’s awful.




So let’s face reality. No QB named Nico is going to make this offensive scheme better. Heck we played one good defense a year ago and were embarrassed with a a very good QB in hooker.

We have a coach that puts up big numbers against bad teams and gets his fat ass whipped against good ones. Always has and always will!

What. A. Moron.

 

[BruinVol]

"Take the emotion out of it" ??? That's a joke, right? The entire 'burn the place down' crowd that descended on this forum last night was 150 proof emotion with zero thought or logic.

You're stating simple numbers with absolutely no context, which is a nice way to further rile up the nitwits looking at Heupel's buyout and wondering when he'll be fired, but don't stand up to real scrutiny.

This is year three (actually 2 1/2 given how late a start he got) following the program being penalized scholarships and 30 players (including much of the best talent) leaving. It takes 4-5 years to rebuild a down program under normal circumstances, without the obstacles Heupel faced here.

He won 11 games last year with a thin, patchwork roster primarily because of extraordinary performances from a few players that developed into draft worthy players in his offense. we were lucky health-wise last year until Hooker went down.

This year, with all that lost talent, we're still 2-3 recruiting cycles from having the depth to really compete in this conference, and we got hammered with injuries to the point of playing 3rd and 4th stringers on the OL, at WR, and in the secondary. That might explain why the offense has struggled against better defenses - it isn't rocket science.

With all of that, we're a win over Vandy from being 8-4. Now I know that you and others believed after last year that anything less than 11 wins and going toe to toe with Georgia was a given from that point on, but the real world works differently. This was always going to be a transition season, with most seeing us with 7-9 wins.

The Florida and Missouri games were disasters, no question. But to even consider tossing out a coach who is 25-12 off of a dumpster fire, including a top 6 finish last year, and has a 5-star QB and WR coming in on top of top 15 recruiting classes, and starting over again, is the height of childish stupidity. On top of that, what respectable coach in their right mind would even think about coming to a place where coaches are treated in such a mindless, haphazard manner?

Sorry for the rant, but the fact that anyone paying the slightest attention could seriously believe this way is mind-blowingly absurd.

I’ve said multiple times I don’t want CJH fired but I also don’t think he’s ever having a better year than last year. I’ve lived thru the years where we didn’t make a bowl game and I can appreciate 8 win years.


BUT make no mistake imo the writing is on the wall and this coach with his lack of discipline and flawed scheme isn’t a a threat to kirby and the big boys on any kind of consistent basis