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hog88 said:
I never said there was a law requiring it. I'm saying we shouldn't be promoting people for President that's never held an executive position and been successful. Enough of running Senators and other mouth pieces because that is all they are if they don't have a track record of getting stuff done as "the man".
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That's a convenient thought for some, but not realistic. Government is simply not run like a standard business, nor notwithstanding how much more efficient we wish it was, should it be. It has neither the same mission nor founding genesis as business.
 
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DonjoVol said:
You do realize she has her own show and had written some books. She has already made a comfortable living for herself and she isn't even 35. Sounds like she has done a good job already making money for herself.

She is more than capable of running for president.
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Making money doesn't equate to being an experienced executive.

Would you promote a dishwasher in your restaurant directly to general manager just because they are smart and well spoken?
 
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lawgator1 said:
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That's a convenient thought for some, but not realistic. Government is simply not run like a standard business, nor notwithstanding how much more efficient we wish it was, should it be. It has neither the same mission nor founding genesis as business.
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And the brainwashing has been successful with you.

Has it ever occurred to you that one of the big problems with our federal government is that it isn't run more like a business that has to balance it's books?
 
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hog88 said:
Making money doesn't equate to being an experienced executive.

Would you promote a dishwasher in your restaurant directly to general manager just because they are smart and well spoken?
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Candace started off small and now she's doing even better.

Sounds like you really have an issue with working class and middle class people. Why is that?
 
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luthervol said:
The success of a president should never be measured by short term economic impact. In some ways, that may be the worst measure of a president.
Carter is undoubtedly benefiting from his post-presidency (he has provided a blue print which all ex presidents should follow), but Carter is also being viewed by through the prism of time. The issues he emphasized and the ways he tried to address them, even if unsuccessfully, laid the groundwork and changed the conversation for the future.

He was basically to smart and forward thinking for his time. That's why Reagan was so popular in comparison - he wasn't very smart, and he said "screw the future, take on debt - live economically better now than you really should." (as a nation and as individuals)
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That's because you view the economic successes under Reagan tied to the policies under Carter, and his economic successes weren't short term but he did run up the debt no doubt but a lot of that debt was probably necessary due to military build ups to blunt the Soviet Union. You can't dismiss his abilities to connect with voters and their own financial standing as insignificant. The '84 election was about as one sided as possible in the modern era and the election of Bush in '88 was directly tied to the success of the Reagan administration
 
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Based solely on Trump's example, no one without experience in government should be considered. He was obviously clueless as to what was required and expected.
 
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luthervol said:
Based solely on Trump's example, no one without experience in government should be considered. He was obviously clueless as to what was required and expected.
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You just don't think things thru do you? Joe's been there for a half century and is an unmitigated disaster
 
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DonjoVol said:
Candace started off small and now she's doing even better.

Sounds like you really have an issue with working class and middle class people. Why is that?
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Great and I applaud her for that. I applaud anyone who can find a niche and make a good living.

Why would you think I have a problem with "working class" (whatever the hell that is) and middle class people?
 
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landscapingvol said:
That's because you view the economic successes under Reagan tied to the policies under Carter, and his economic successes weren't short term but he did run up the debt no doubt but a lot of that debt was probably necessary due to military build ups to blunt the Soviet Union. You can't dismiss his abilities to connect with voters and their own financial standing as insignificant. The '84 election was about as one sided as possible in the modern era and the election of Bush in '88 was directly tied to the success of the Reagan administration
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Their own financial standing? Compare average household debt in 1980 and 1988. Reagan was the King of debt. A lot of what people assumed was a better economy, was they had experienced for the first time the short term benefits of taking on debt.
 
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luthervol said:
Every ranking by people who are experts in the field has Carter over Bush, Ford, certainly Trump; and many more.
I know what the opinion of the average southern whit guy is, and it's irrelevant; almost to the comical point.
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Every ranking by people who are real experts in the field has Carter slightly above Buchanan, who is widely acknowledged to be the most incompetent fool to occupy the White House as President.

I know what the opinion of the average liberal is, and it really is irrelevant, being comical in almost all ways and pitiful in the rest.
 
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utvolpj said:
You just don't think things thru do you? Joe's been there for a half century and is an unmitigated disaster
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You don't comprehend very well do you?
I didn't say experience was an automatic qualifier, I said lack of experience is an automatic disqualifier.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
Every ranking by people who are real experts in the field has Carter slightly above Buchanan, who is widely acknowledged to be the most incompetent fool to occupy the White House as President.

I know what the opinion of the average liberal is, and it really is irrelevant, being comical in almost all ways and pitiful in the rest.
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Funny, I've looked at multiple rankings and never seen anything like what you claim.
Maybe that's just in the head of an old southern white guy.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I would suspect that much of his improving standing in the eyes of the rankers has more to do with his humanitarian work after he left office not his actual accomplishments as President. Gerald Ford didn't even serve a full term and was hampered by the Vietnam War fallout and Watergate. I would venture to guess that no modern President had more going against him than Gerald Ford so that is a non-starter. W was an idiot and got us into two never ending wars so I wouldn't disagree with him being lower than Carter. I would also suspect that a lot of the vitriol towards Trump is directed at his personality. I don't think anyone with an open mind could argue that Trump had a much better record economically and its impact on the average consumer as compared to Carter, not to mention the fiasco that was hostage rescue.
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Even with those handicaps Ford may have won reelection had Reagan not challenged him in the primaries.
Ford and Carter had much more serious economic problems to deal with than Trump but Carter's results with inflation helped make sure Reagan won.
 
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luthervol said:
Their own financial standing? Compare average household debt in 1980 and 1988. Reagan was the King of debt. A lot of what people assumed was a better economy, was they had experienced for the first time the short term benefits of taking on debt.
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Few people could afford debt in 1980.
 
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hog88 said:
She's also never been a chief executive or hell any executive for that matter so she has no business holding the highest office in the land. For the life of me why do people continue to throw names around that have never held a senior executive position inside or (preferably) outside of government?
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This is why I've not expressed an opinion on her fitness for office. I know a lot of very smart people. Does not mean they have enough sense to run a Dairy Queen.
 
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luthervol said:
You don't comprehend very well do you?
I didn't say experience was an automatic qualifier, I said lack of experience is an automatic disqualifier.
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automatic disqualifier- what's the floor for experience? 20years start to finish for Obama.
 
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luthervol said:
The success of a president should never be measured by short term economic impact. In some ways, that may be the worst measure of a president.
Carter is undoubtedly benefiting from his post-presidency (he has provided a blue print which all ex presidents should follow), but Carter is also being viewed by through the prism of time. The issues he emphasized and the ways he tried to address them, even if unsuccessfully, laid the groundwork and changed the conversation for the future.

He was basically to smart and forward thinking for his time. That's why Reagan was so popular in comparison - he wasn't very smart, and he said "screw the future, take on debt - live economically better now than you really should." (as a nation and as individuals)
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The economy matters. Ask Clinton and Bush I. And Carter's economic policies gave us out of control inflation.
What did he (Carter) do as president that merits praise? It's a serious question. I remember mainly the economy and the Iran embassy fiasco. I will say the hostage rescue attempt would have been great if it succeeded.
 
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EasternVol said:
The economy matters. Ask Clinton and Bush I. And Carter's economic policies gave us out of control inflation.
What did he (Carter) do as president that merits praise? It's a serious question. I remember mainly the economy and the Iran embassy fiasco. I will say the hostage rescue attempt would have been great if it succeeded.
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Carter did start some of the deregulation moves. That was a good thing.
 
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Majors said:
automatic disqualifier- what's the floor for experience? 20years start to finish for Obama.
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No hard fast number. For some it might be 10, for others 5, for others 25.
Trump just proved that 0 is a non-qualifier.
 
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GroverCleveland said:
This is why I've not expressed an opinion on her fitness for office. I know a lot of very smart people. Does not mean they have enough sense to run a Dairy Queen.
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There are engineers, accountants, doctors, and businessmen who own their own trucking company that could not run a Dairy Queen.
 
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