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EasternVol said:
The economy matters. Ask Clinton and Bush I. And Carter's economic policies gave us out of control inflation.
What did he (Carter) do as president that merits praise? It's a serious question. I remember mainly the economy and the Iran embassy fiasco. I will say the hostage rescue attempt would have been great if it succeeded.
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Carter also gave us the grain embargo against the USSR, providing a significant boost to Brazilian wheat exports. He also gave us a Misery Index (unemployment + inflation) of over 21% and a Prime Rate of 21%.

Yep, on our production loans, the interest rate was 21%.
 
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Majors said:
automatic disqualifier- what's the floor for experience? 20years start to finish for Obama.
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There is no automatic disqualifier. Antonio Brown could run for president if he wants. He will meet the age requirements next year.
 
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luthervol said:
Their own financial standing? Compare average household debt in 1980 and 1988. Reagan was the King of debt. A lot of what people assumed was a better economy, was they had experienced for the first time the short term benefits of taking on debt.
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I suspect the average American consumer knows more about their financial standing than most politicians so if they feel better about their ability to purchase goods and services then they probably are in better shape. The fact is most Americans vote with their wallet not their hearts. It will be the main drag on Biden and the Democrats. We can discuss debt and job gains/losses till we are blue in the face but at the end of the day it is largely irrelevant for most voters if they have less money in their wallets.
 
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luthervol said:
No hard fast number. For some it might be 10, for others 5, for others 25.
Trump just proved that 0 is a non-qualifier.
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Not a Trump guy, but I disagree with that based on the results in office. You can say Impeachments, Russian Collusion, Steel Dossier or any other distraction.
Stock market was up, gas prices were low, housing market boomed, African American home ownership increased 5%, middle class income increased 6K to name a few and then it took something like Covid. But even then it took Trump creating "operation warp speed" to say we're not waiting 8-12 years for vaccines and got it done in 10 months. Same vaccines the left downplayed but now promote. Again, you can spin it how you feel but can't deny what he gave you outside of being offended because he wasn't polished up.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I suspect the average American consumer knows more about their financial standing than most politicians so if they feel better about their ability to purchase goods and services then they probably are in better shape. The fact is most Americans vote with their wallet not their hearts. It will be the main drag on Biden and the Democrats. We can discuss debt and job gains/losses till we are blue in the face but at the end of the day it is largely irrelevant for most voters if they have less money in their wallets.
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Eh...as mentioned earlier, 80% (give or take a few %) will for a yellow dog or a pile of jello depending on the D/R label. It is the middle 20% that decides things. And as polarized as things have become, the numbers might even be skewed more to 90/10, so a case could be made that only 10% vote their wallets.

Well, thinking about that more, those on the government dole would increase wallet voters plus the number of government employees who vote their wallets. After all, why would any welfare recipient/civil service employee not vote Democrat? So the number may be closer to your estimation.
 
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Majors said:
Not a Trump guy, but I disagree with that based on the results in office. You can say Impeachments, Russian Collusion, Steel Dossier or any other distraction.
Stock market was up, gas prices were low, housing market boomed, African American home ownership increased 5%, middle class income increased 6K to name a few and then it took something like Covid. But even then it took Trump creating "operation warp speed" to say we're not waiting 8-12 years for vaccines and got it done in 10 months. Same vaccines the left downplayed but now promote. Again, you can spin it how you feel but can't deny what he gave you outside of being offended because he wasn't polished up.
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I am a little skeptical with Trump pushing these vaccines and a few other items. If he does get elected again maybe he should try filing his cabinet with non- establishment Republicans this time.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I am a little skeptical with Trump pushing these vaccines and a few other items. If he does get elected again maybe he should try filing his cabinet with non- establishment Republicans this time.
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Agree, get back to the people and not the party.
 
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DonjoVol said:
There's no law that says you have to be in politics or a chief executive in a business to run for president.

Would that really scare if someone who actually rose up from the ranks of the working and middle class became president?
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Reagan was close to that (except for serving as California governor)
 
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DonjoVol said:
I am a little skeptical with Trump pushing these vaccines and a few other items. If he does get elected again maybe he should try filing his cabinet with non- establishment Republicans this time.
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I have no problem with anyone pushing the vaccines as long as they don’t push for them to be mandatory. In terms of the establishment…yeah, Trump didn’t really “drain the swamp” like he promised. He took out a couple of buckets of water and called it a day.
 
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landscapingvol said:
I suspect the average American consumer knows more about their financial standing than most politicians so if they feel better about their ability to purchase goods and services then they probably are in better shape. The fact is most Americans vote with their wallet not their hearts. It will be the main drag on Biden and the Democrats. We can discuss debt and job gains/losses till we are blue in the face but at the end of the day it is largely irrelevant for most voters if they have less money in their wallets.
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Then when most Americans vote to eliminate student loans, so be it.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I've mentioned her name a few times. Apparently she's not well liked by some of the more conservative and libertarian men in here. Not sure why.
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Something about her doesn't rub me the right way. She says all of the right things and checks most of the boxes, but I am still unsure about her. I don't have anything to go off of other than her curious journey to being where she is now between college and now.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Something about her doesn't rub me the right way. She says all of the right things and checks most of the boxes, but I am still unsure about her. I don't have anything to go off of other than her curious journey to being where she is now between college and now.
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Only issue I have is that she speaks too fast at times and just needs to relax a little. Other than that she's fine.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
That is kind of where I think she is, but IDK. It just seems like she is capitalizing on her novelty.
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We still need some non politicians and people with very little political connections to run.

Personally I doubt 2024 would be ideal for her to run. Although she will be 35 then. 2028 might be a little more realistic.
 
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utvolpj said:
challenging Trump is no big deal. She would get stomped by Michelle Obama if they ran (which sounds possible)

Maybe because there aren't many real options in our system. People for limited govt don't get pushed to the front by or political machine. Who wants to promote a candidate seeking to limit your job and money? A guy like amash would be close to what that is
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Well, "stomped" is a strong term. I would say if it really came down to those two, it would be as polarized and charged as it is right now.
 
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DonjoVol said:
There's no law that says you have to be in politics or a chief executive in a business to run for president.

Would that really scare if someone who actually rose up from the ranks of the working and middle class became president?
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I don't think you need to be an executive or a lawyer or former military to be POTUS. But you at least have to have a real job. I'm not sure if she has even had a real job in her life outside of media.
 
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DonjoVol said:
Yep. It would terrify you if she became president. Now I know why.

Let me ask you a question. Does it offend you that she is smarter than you?
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I guess I would say that there would be worse options (Nikki Haley, Pompeo)... but not many more worse options.

And really, her qualifications would only be marginally better than AOC, imo.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Well, "stomped" is a strong term. I would say if it really came down to those two, it would be as polarized and charged as it is right now.
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I don't think she would get stomped. However there are rumors that Michele Obama would be the best chance democrats might have to win.

Although the great Volnation philosopher known as Hog would be very disappointed. I don't think either woman has been a chief executive of a business. He might have to sit that election out. Or the Republican party would have to nominate Bill Gates to make him happy.
 
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DonjoVol said:
I don't think she would get stomped. However there are rumors that Michele Obama would be the best chance democrats might have to win.

Although the great Volnation philosopher known as Hog would be very disappointed. I don't think either woman has been a chief executive of a business. He might have to sit that election out. Or the Republican party would have to nominate Bill Gates to make him happy.
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I never said CEOs only. I said an executive within the government or outside of (preferably). That would include Governors, Mayors and former cabinet members. I think we can all agree that electing Senators has been a disaster.
 
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hog88 said:
I never said CEOs only. I said an executive within the government or outside of (preferably). That would include Governors, Mayors and former cabinet members. I think we can all agree that electing Senators has been a disaster.
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Harry Truman?
 
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