It's time for a change

[Majors]

Also lost all their big non conference games other than Illinois (1-4 in ranked games)

And beat now unranked Ole Miss at home

You sure about that one? Beating Wisconsin at their place slip your mind.

 

[WinnerCircle]

Except for the 20 pts and 7 or 8 rebounds that will have to come from somewhere. IMO, for next yr to be better we need a young and very good post and another reliable scorer. Don't think Jewel can carry scoring alone next yr nor should she have to.

Well Rickea hasn’t done it this year but you and DarkPhoenix sure tried to make it sound that way for as long as you could..

Just as you’ve frequently downplayed Talayasia Cooper being a key piece for the team next season. I guess you know more than the coaches and game analysts do from attending open practice once a season..

 

[Majors]

Well Rickea hasn’t done it this year but you and DarkPhoenix sure tried to make it sound that way for as long as you could..

Just as you’ve frequently downplayed Talayasia Cooper being a key piece for the team next season. I guess you know more than the coaches and game analysts do from attending open practice once a season..

You like to bash Rickea and her play a lot. For someone who likes to boast rankings and numbers. No mystery, take RJ out of her game and let someone else beat you. Spear had an outstanding game in the loss to OM.

Pretty lofty expectations for Cooper and her 2.9 avg she’s bringing over.

 

[WinnerCircle]

You like to bash Rickea and her play a lot. For someone who likes to boast rankings and numbers. No mystery, take RJ out of her game and let someone else beat you. Spear had an outstanding game in the loss to OM.

Pretty lofty expectations for Cooper and her 2.9 avg she’s bringing over.

Goof troop I’m sure she would tell you herself she isn’t carrying a team.

You can’t think. That’s a problem for you.

 

[glv98]

Well Rickea hasn’t done it this year but you and DarkPhoenix sure tried to make it sound that way for as long as you could..

Just as you’ve frequently downplayed Talayasia Cooper being a key piece for the team next season. I guess you know more than the coaches and game analysts do from attending open practice once a season..

Much as I hate to engage this bs, are you saying RJ has not been the leading scorer and rebounder this year? OK . . . Also, just the fact we have rarely won without her and rarely lost with her tells us something.

In the postgame after Ole Miss, the first thing Jewel attributed her offensive production to was the attention Rickea was getting. They need each other, that's exactly how it's supposed to work. Next year Jewel is going to need someone, and that is not a knock on her at all.

Also, get your enemy list straight. I have never downplayed Cooper; in fact, I said after seeing her on the scout squad in practice it's easy to see she's an elite athlete. What's unknown is her ability to be a reliable back up scorer to Jewel next year. Maybe she will, I sure hope to hell so bc otherwise we are screwed unless we get gifted with another big time scorer out of the portal.

 

[WinnerCircle]

Much as I hate to engage this bs, are you saying RJ has not been the leading scorer and rebounder this year? OK . . .

Also, get your enemy list straight. I have never downplayed Cooper; in fact, I said after seeing her on the scout squad in practice it's easy to see she's an elite athlete. What's unknown is her ability to be a reliable back up scorer to Jewel next year. Maybe she will, I sure hope to hell so bc otherwise we are screwed.

It’s a difference between being a leading scorer and carrying a team.

You downplay Kaniya Boyd too but want the team to sign any freshman with a recruiting service ranking a 10 spots higher. Go figure.

 

[glv98]

It’s a difference between being a leading scorer and carrying a team.

You downplay Kaniya Boyd too but want the team to sign any freshman with a recruiting service ranking a 10 spots higher. Go figure.

Right the carrying the team part is where we lost all those games without her and have won most of the ones with her. We're somewhat more equipped to win wo RJ now that Jewel has found her footing. Unfortunately, that did not happen early on when Rickea was out. Not blaming Jewel, it was early and she was assimilating, but what happened really truly did happen.

Re Boyd, I have never "downplayed her", actually haven't said much about her. It's just that every human person except you who has ever seen her play has said she's an "offensive project". If she happens to emerge as that reliable second scorer I'll be delighted and pay you endless homage, but I don't think that's what anyone is expecting.

And with that, good day to you bc this back and forth w you is fruitless.

 

[UT Challenger]

Hmmm... I would bet LSU women's basketball should be on the NCAA's NIL radar...

Don't know if they are but I just read this morning they are in serious financial trouble. 8 million in deficit.

 

[Volfan2012]

Except for the 20 pts and 7 or 8 rebounds that will have to come from somewhere. IMO, for next yr to be better we need a young and very good post and another reliable scorer. Don't think Jewel can carry scoring alone next yr nor should she have to.

I may be crazy but I'm depending on Cooper for most of that. I'm not really bought into she can't score as she average 25 a game in high school. I could be firing way off base and won't be the first time. I think she can give us 12 to 14 of that and the rest from the unknown power post we will get in the portal or other superstar just can't wait to get here.

 

[turbovol]

I see Jewel's father is back...

 

[Volfan2012]

Don't know if they are but I just read this morning they are in serious financial trouble. 8 million in deficit.

The women's basketball program was 8 million under and the entire athletic program finished 4 million in the red. Compare to Tennessee who finish 11 million in the green even though our women's program lost about 4 million.

 

[glv98]

I may be crazy but I'm depending on Cooper for most of that. I'm not really bought into she can't score as she average 25 a game in high school. I could be firing way off base and won't be the first time. I think she can give us 12 to 14 of that and the rest from the unknown power post we will get in the portal or other superstar just can't wait to get here.

Yeah, I think Cooper is the most likely possibility for a back up scorer. It's just that's a total unknown on the SEC level so it's scary. D. Wells is also a possibility, but again, unproven at this level, coming off injury, and very small.

We definitely need that superstar scoring wing out of the portal to make sure Jewel has her Robin next yr.

 

[glv98]

I see Jewel's father is back...

Funny thing is he use to be Rickea's father but he's kicked her to the curb like yesterday's trash. Don't get too comfy Jewel!

Also, I've seen Jewel's real Dad a few times and he seems like a really fun guy.

 

[Volfan2012]

Yeah, I think Cooper is the most likely possibility for a back up scorer. It's just that's a total unknown on the SEC level so it's scary. D. Wells is also a possibility, but again, unproven at this level.

We definitely need that superstar scoring wing out of the portal to make sure Jewel has her Robin next yr.

The picture totally remains unclear will have a better answer come April more than likely cause you got to get the players out of the portal early they don't last long. Some say Wolfenbarger may be interested in coming here. I know she was ranked highly, but her 37 percent career shooting at Arkansas just makes you wonder if she would be of any value since she is like Pissott hangs out on the three point line.

 

[Majors]

Goof troop I’m sure she would tell you herself she isn’t carrying a team.

You can’t think. That’s a problem for you.

I’m sure she would be modest and build her team up. Thinking isn’t a problem when you set it up on tee. Thinking out loud, I recall you making excuses for the losses because RJ was out and the schedule was too tough.

 

[dazzleme]

I think it goes back to coaching...Kellie, and her husband, who would never have been hired as an assistant coach at any powerhouse SEC school with his pre-marriage to Kellie resume. Just a bit out of their depth at this level. She's already been fired, what once, twice from other schools? This shouldn't be a shocker to anyone that she is just not cut out for this level. I think they would be fantastic high school coaches.

I like the players we have and if we had a better coach, he/she would know how to make them competitive. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but remember when our star point guard went down with a season-ending injury back in the 90s and everyone thought it was season over, but Pat took, who was it, Dena Head??? And Pat turned her into an all-star. You can have the Bad News Bears with the right coach and be competitive.

 

[madtownvol]

Right the carrying the team part is where we lost all those games without her and have won most of the ones with her. We're somewhat more equipped to win wo RJ now that Jewel has found her footing. Unfortunately, that did not happen early on when Rickea was out. Not blaming Jewel, it was early and she was assimilating, but what happened really truly did happen.

Re Boyd, I have never "downplayed her", actually haven't said much about her. It's just that every human person except you who has ever seen her play has said she's an "offensive project". If she happens to emerge as that reliable second scorer I'll be delighted and pay you endless homage, but I don't think that's what anyone is expecting.

And with that, good day to you bc this back and forth w you is fruitless.

Thinking about the need for a change, and even I admit that this is now a very legit topic, it all comes down to such fine margins.

Imagine a world where Rickea or Jewell hit that final shot against Florida State and where Rickea did not miss those 8 games.

Instead of being 4-5 (including the FLST game), I think there is a good chance the LVs would have been 7-2 over that stretch. That preseason record coupled with a 4-2 SEC start (and given the turbulence in the conference), would have the LVs sitting squarely in the top 15-20 and the discussion would be about how we should be, if Kellie could coach, undefeated and ranked #1.

Alas, we are not living in this alternative world.

 

[Volfan2012]

Thinking about the need for a change, and even I admit that this is now a very legit topic, it all comes down to such fine margins.

Imagine a world where Rickea or Jewell hit that final shot against Florida State and where Rickea did not miss those 8 games.

Instead of being 4-5 (including the FLST game), I think there is a good chance the LVs would have been 7-2 over that stretch. That preseason record coupled with a 4-2 SEC start (and given the turbulence in the conference), would have the LVs sitting squarely in the top 15-20 and the discussion would be about how we should be, if Kellie could coach, undefeated and ranked #1.

Alas, we are not living in this alternative world.

All true, but all any of this would have given is more time. Would more time solve the problem we don't know. I think if she could haul in a top ten 2025 recruiting class this season may be overlooked if she makes the NCAA tourney and maybe even if she doesn't. I think if I was Ad and I saw a top ten 2025 class coming in I would go to ignore to see what would happen in the coming two seasons.

 

[dazzleme]

All true, but all any of this would have given is more time. Would more time solve the problem we don't know. I think if she could haul in a top ten 2025 recruiting class this season may be overlooked if she makes the NCAA tourney and maybe even if she doesn't. I think if I was Ad and I saw a top ten 2025 class coming in I would go to ignore to see what would happen in the coming two seasons.

I don't know, she's had good/greatish players and doesn't know how to develop them. I mean, she cannot even coach them to protect the ball. I remember her response to a media question in her first or second season where she was asked about how many turnovers the team had and her response was defensive and stubborn and she flatly dismissed the question with a curt reply of "They know what to do. It's not a problem," or something like that. Well, here we are, and someone posted previously that the team has more than, what, 68 turnovers or something? I just don't think players are the issue. It's coaching.

And yes, recruiting is KEY. Micki DeMoss was an ace recruiter. Kellie cannot get the players because she is not delivering the results.

 

[Volfan2012]

I don't know, she's had good/greatish players and doesn't know how to develop them. I mean, she cannot even coach them to protect the ball. I remember her response to a media question in her first or second season where she was asked about how many turnovers the team had and her response was defensive and stubborn and she flatly dismissed the question with a curt reply of "They know what to do. It's not a problem," or something like that. Well, here we are, and someone posted previously that the team has more than, what, 68 turnovers or something? I just don't think players are the issue. It's coaching.

And yes, recruiting is KEY. Micki DeMoss was an ace recruiter. Kellie cannot get the players because she is not delivering the results.

She has never had a legitimate post player or point guard that is elite. Powell is not elite she is just a good player. We haven't recruited any top ten players other than Rickea and Jordan Horston was already here. She has done ok with the type of rosters she's had. To be a top ten team in NCAA women's basketball you better have a strong post player and an elite point guard at least. If you look at the teams that are there now you see top 10 to 20 players more than one. I can see basis for her to stay if a top 10 class were coming in. Otherwise more of the same high school recruiting then a change should be made.

 

[WinnerCircle]

Re Boyd, I have never "downplayed her", actually haven't said much about her. It's just that every human person except you who has ever seen her play has said she's an "offensive project". If she happens to emerge as that reliable second scorer I'll be delighted and pay you endless homage, but I don't think that's what anyone is expecting.

Offensive project lol! You post anything on this forum lol stop listening to the SEC fan club on Twitter and those SC fans.

You done loss your mind if you think Kaniya Boyd is an offensive project..

 

[Vols2015]

One thing I have noticed that I don’t understand, why has TN only played 19 games up to this point when most teams have a complete record of 20-22 games?

 

[dazzleme]

She has never had a legitimate post player or point guard that is elite. Powell is not elite she is just a good player. We haven't recruited any top ten players other than Rickea and Jordan Horston was already here. She has done ok with the type of rosters she's had. To be a top ten team in NCAA women's basketball you better have a strong post player and an elite point guard at least. If you look at the teams that are there now you see top 10 to 20 players more than one. I can see basis for her to stay if a top 10 class were coming in. Otherwise more of the same high school recruiting then a change should be made.

You don't consider Key a legitimate post player? I feel like there's no reason Key shouldn't be performing and impacting like Angel Reese, don't you? And if we had an elite coach, they would've gotten Key to that level. Someone on staff like legend, Al Brown. Remember how he used to help develop our post players? The best!

 

[Scotty4lvs]

I think it goes back to coaching...Kellie, and her husband, who would never have been hired as an assistant coach at any powerhouse SEC school with his pre-marriage to Kellie resume. Just a bit out of their depth at this level. She's already been fired, what once, twice from other schools? This shouldn't be a shocker to anyone that she is just not cut out for this level. I think they would be fantastic high school coaches.

I like the players we have and if we had a better coach, he/she would know how to make them competitive. Somebody correct me if I'm wrong, but remember when our star point guard went down with a season-ending injury back in the 90s and everyone thought it was season over, but Pat took, who was it, Dena Head??? And Pat turned her into an all-star. You can have the Bad News Bears with the right coach and be competitive.

I mean no disrespect to CPS and all of the wonderful things that she did... she's the reason this forum even exists as it does and people like us care at all about any of this...but I really feel like comparisons to what was done 30 some years ago, or even pre portal/nil times just doesn't carry that much weight. The women's college basketball landscape has completely changed from $$ to recruiting routes and options to just how much deeper the talent pool is and how fewer easy wins there are. Parity is here, the outlook is different, Harper and Co are not perfect and I understand the questions, but comparing who did what in different eras, whether it be PS, HW, or whoever... to me, is just apples and oranges.

 

[dazzleme]

I mean no disrespect to CPS and all of the wonderful things that she did... she's the reason this forum even exists as it does and people like us care at all about any of this...but I really feel like comparisons to what was done 30 some years ago, or even pre portal/nil times just doesn't carry that much weight. The women's college basketball landscape has completely changed from $$ to recruiting routes and options to just how much deeper the talent pool is and how fewer easy wins there are. Parity is here, the outlook is different, Harper and Co are not perfect and I understand the questions, but comparing who did what in different eras, whether it be PS, HW, or whoever... to me, is just apples and oranges.

I understand your point for sure. I guess it's just my attempt to show examples of how coaches should be developing players. Doesn't have to be Pat & Co.