Jabari McGhee to WKU

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buzz4tennessee said:
This can definitely be said about all of the guys that Barnes coached that ended up being a pro bb player, especially Kevin Durant.

Worship Barnes all that you want, but he is a false god.
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Have you seen me imply that Barnes made Durant what he is? I don't think I've said much about Barnes besides the fact that he's a far better coach than Tyndall, which he is.
 
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Stoked said:
Many people called it man. I didn't, but others did. Everyone compared him to Tony Allen and said he'd have a long career in the NBA. Most of the people didn't think he'd be playing as well in the NBA this early though.
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Everyone knew he would have success playing PG in the NBA? Uh he hadn't even switched to PG if Donnie hadn't been hired.

There was no question from me that Josh was going to be a defensive NBA player. I had questions whether his offensive game would translate as a guard (and so did everyone else). It wasn't solidified until Josh had like ~18 20 point games in a row (something like that).
 
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iKrager said:
Yeah.. After a stellar S16 performance. But he was practically a role player prior to the tournament.
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You say that like it makes a difference. Even if it were true that it was solely his tournament performance that put him on the NBA radar (it's not), it happened before Tyndall got there. It wasn't Tyndall that put NBA eyes on him, and saying that it was takes credit away from the player himself.
 
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iKrager said:
Everyone knew he would have success playing PG in the NBA? Uh he hadn't even switched to PG if Donnie hadn't been hired.

There was no question from me that Josh was going to be a defensive NBA player. I had questions whether his offensive game would translate as a guard (and so did everyone else). It wasn't solidified until Josh had like ~18 20 point games in a row (something like that).
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Where did I say he'd have success at the point? I said a lot of people predicted he'd be in the NBA because of his defense first. I posted proof that people predicted it before he even played any significant minutes at the point and a month before Tyndall even coached here.
 
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VKAman said:
Points per game aren't the best measure of positive impact, by any stretch. Tony Wroten scored like 17 PPG last year in the NBA, and is now struggling to keep his job as the Knicks' 15th man.
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True. Just trying to see both sides. Richardson was a better defender.
 
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iKrager said:
And no one is questioning that.. He's been on the scout's radar as a defensive player for quite a long time. Not sure what you're getting at?
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What I'm getting at is pretty clear I thought? Buzz acts like Tyndall is the reason that he's in the NBA and that him playing point is what got him there. It's not true. The Heat had their eyes on him before Tyndall even coached him.
 
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Stoked said:
Where did I say he'd have success at the point? I said a lot of people predicted he'd be in the NBA because of his defense first. I posted proof that people predicted it before he even played any significant minutes at the point and a month before Tyndall even coached here.
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I think we're arguing ill-advised points. We all (including myself) knew he had NBA potential as a defensive player his sophomore year of college. But no one thought he was going to translate into the type of PG and scoring guard he is today. No one. Most people complained throughout Tyndall's year that we were mis-using J-Rich because he was forced to play PG.

But playing PG and being the "go to" man really forced Josh to grow into a new position and to play under pressure. Invaluable experience.

All I'm saying is, Josh was not an NBA-caliber Pg or offensive player until his year under Donnie (but he was an elite defensive player still). He showed flashes of offensive province during our S16 run, but he was practically a defense only player prior to that. He truly evolved offensively under Tyndall
 
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Stoked said:
What I'm getting at is pretty clear I thought? Buzz acts like Tyndall is the reason that he's in the NBA and that him playing point is what got him there. It's not true. The Heat had their eyes on him before Tyndall even coached him.
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Exactly. And arguing that the current roster is equivalent to last year's, when one had a legitimate NBA prospect and one had no one remotely close, is more than a little problematic.
 
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iKrager said:
All I'm saying is, Josh was not an NBA-caliber Pg or offensive player until his year under Donnie (but he was an elite defensive player still). He showed flashes of offensive province during our S16 run, but he was practically a defense only player prior to that. He truly evolved offensively under Tyndall
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This about sums it up:

Chris4Vols22 said:
If he gives a full season of what he's given in the tournament, he'll be on an NBA roster.
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And that's what he did. Did Tyndall put the ball in his hands more? Of course, because no one else could handle the ball. Does that mean he became a totally different player from the one that averaged 20 PPG in the tournament? Not really.
 
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Some players are driven to be successful regardless the coach and JR is one of those players. Plating PG last year wasn't a stroke of genius on Tyndall's part because he literally had no one else who could. Josh played some PG Martin's last year and even in the tournament he was one of our main ball handlers. It is more a badge of honor for Josh because he was the one who turned himself into what he is and not Tyndall.

JR would have made it in the NBA regardless, he just has the drive to make it. The only thing playing PG did was speed up the process of his success. IMO
 
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e-VOL-ution2013 said:
Some players are driven to be successful regardless the coach and JR is one of those players. Plating PG last year wasn't a stroke of genius on Tyndall's part because he literally had no one else who could. Josh played some PG Martin's last year and even in the tournament he was one of our main ball handlers. It is more a badge of honor for Josh because he was the one who turned himself into what he is and not Tyndall.

JR would have made it in the NBA regardless, he just has the drive to make it. The only thing playing PG did was speed up the process of his success. IMO
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Best post on the topic

Jrich was going to the nba with or without CDT. Playing a year at pg helped in some way IMO but wasn't what put him over the top
 
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VKAman said:
This about sums it up:



And that's what he did. Did Tyndall put the ball in his hands more? Of course, because no one else could handle the ball. Does that mean he became a totally different player from the one that averaged 20 PPG in the tournament? Not really.
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Hey-o thanks for the shout out! Lol
 
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Chris4Vols22 said:
Hey-o thanks for the shout out! Lol
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iKrager said:
Josh wasn't considered an NBA pick at the beginning of the season under Tyndall. No one was saying "man Tyndall is lucky that he has such an NBA caliber player"

Everyone was worried that Josh had to play PG and not his primary SG role. Which a lot of people thought that Josh wouldn't translate into a PG, which he did.
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True
 
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VKAman said:
Have you seen me imply that Barnes made Durant what he is? I don't think I've said much about Barnes besides the fact that he's a far better coach than Tyndall, which he is.
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The only possible way to compare the two would be how they fared with the past 2 squads here.

When you consider that Barnes had the luxury of more experienced players, thanks to Donnie, and greater strength, I don't see how a person without prejudice could not find that ly's coach compared to ty's coach performed with greater results. That's b4 you take into consideration the record of the 2.

Also, the league was tougher ly than ty. KY was undefeated, Arky had 2 pro prospects, LSU had 2 pro prospects, and Billy Donovan was still coaching FL.b

Can you think of a better measuring stick?

Remember we went 7-11 in conference play ly and 6-12 ty.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
The only possible way to compare the two would be how they fared with the past 2 squads here.

When you consider that Barnes had the luxury of more experienced players, thanks to Donnie, and greater strength, I don't see how a person without prejudice could not find that ly's coach compared to ty's coach performed with greater results. That's b4 you take into consideration the record of the 2.

Also, the league was tougher ly than ty. KY was undefeated, Arky had 2 pro prospects, LSU had 2 pro prospects, and Billy Donovan was still coaching FL.b

Can you think of a better measuring stick?

Remember we went 7-11 in conference play ly and 6-12 ty.
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The only way to compare?
Surely you jest.
 
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