Jabari McGhee to WKU

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buzz4tennessee said:
How would you compare them? It would be very unfair to compare apples to oranges, which I believe that is what you want to do.
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You have one coach on the front of his career and another in the twilight.
To use the hopeless circumstances both were asked to indulge is a disservice to both men.
Neither man will ever be judged by the mess they walked into here and neither should they be.
 
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calban said:
You have one coach on the front of his career and another in the twilight.
To use the hopeless circumstances both were asked to indulge is a disservice to both men.
Neither man will ever be judged by the mess they walked into here and neither should they be.
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I have no argument with this. But it is unfair to say that Barnes is a better coach because of other experiences. There is no way to compare unless they both have an equal experience similar to comparing Coach K to Tom Izzo.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
I have no argument with this. But it is unfair to say that Barnes is a better coach because of other experiences. There is no way to compare unless they both have an equal experience similar to comparing Coach K to Tom Izzo.
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If the goal of this sport is post season play, what are we comparing? degrees of failure?
what's the point?
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
The only possible way to compare the two would be how they fared with the past 2 squads here.

When you consider that Barnes had the luxury of more experienced players, thanks to Donnie, and greater strength, I don't see how a person without prejudice could not find that ly's coach compared to ty's coach performed with greater results. That's b4 you take into consideration the record of the 2.

Also, the league was tougher ly than ty. KY was undefeated, Arky had 2 pro prospects, LSU had 2 pro prospects, and Billy Donovan was still coaching FL.b

Can you think of a better measuring stick?

Remember we went 7-11 in conference play ly and 6-12 ty.
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We spent all this time talking about Richardson, only for you to come back and be like, "Yeah, the rosters were the same. Barnes' was actually better because of experience. Never mind that future pro who was by far the best player on either team, he doesn't really matter."
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
How about how coaches get their teams to post season play?
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Neither did.
Both were presented with hopeless situations. Both failed. Not sure there is a coach in the world that would have produced different results with either team.
 
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calban said:
Neither did.
Both were presented with hopeless situations. Both failed. Not sure there is a coach in the world that would have produced different results with either team.
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Actually, when I am looking at the subject of post season tournament play, then I compare the 2 based on how they have done where they have coached other than UT.

In Barnes 28 years heading up a program, he has only had 1 automatic bid to the NCAA's. Were this the Mears years of the late 60's through the late 70's, Barnes would have gone to the NCAA's one to three times since there were no conference tournaments. With the tourneys, he has only secured one automatic bid. On the other hand, Tyndall has gotten his teams into the NCAA's twice in 9 years with an automatic bid. This clearly shows that Tyndall has been better when it comes to automatic bids, whereas his teams would never have been eligible for an at-large invite.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Actually, when I am looking at the subject of post season tournament play, then I compare the 2 based on how they have done where they have coached other than UT.

In Barnes 28 years heading up a program, he has only had 1 automatic bid to the NCAA's. Were this the Mears years of the late 60's through the late 70's, Barnes would have gone to the NCAA's one to three times since there were no conference tournaments. With the tourneys, he has only secured one automatic bid. On the other hand, Tyndall has gotten his teams into the NCAA's twice in 9 years with an automatic bid. This clearly shows that Tyndall has been better when it comes to automatic bids, whereas his teams would never have been eligible for an at-large invite.
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Ok... automatic bids is your argument. When a team like holy cross gets an automatic with a 15-19 record that's a horrible way to compare coaches. Automatic bids mean little nowadays in most cases.
 
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Also Buzz... stop comparing a coach with a clean record to a coach with a checkered past. Barnes is our coach, and he's a good one. Tyndall was a cheater and deserved to be fired, so here's my advice. Let it go.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Actually, when I am looking at the subject of post season tournament play, then I compare the 2 based on how they have done where they have coached other than UT.

In Barnes 28 years heading up a program, he has only had 1 automatic bid to the NCAA's. Were this the Mears years of the late 60's through the late 70's, Barnes would have gone to the NCAA's one to three times since there were no conference tournaments. With the tourneys, he has only secured one automatic bid. On the other hand, Tyndall has gotten his teams into the NCAA's twice in 9 years with an automatic bid. This clearly shows that Tyndall has been better when it comes to automatic bids, whereas his teams would never have been eligible for an at-large invite.
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That's the worst argument imaginable. Literally, the worst.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
Actually, when I am looking at the subject of post season tournament play, then I compare the 2 based on how they have done where they have coached other than UT.

In Barnes 28 years heading up a program, he has only had 1 automatic bid to the NCAA's. Were this the Mears years of the late 60's through the late 70's, Barnes would have gone to the NCAA's one to three times since there were no conference tournaments. With the tourneys, he has only secured one automatic bid. On the other hand, Tyndall has gotten his teams into the NCAA's twice in 9 years with an automatic bid. This clearly shows that Tyndall has been better when it comes to automatic bids, whereas his teams would never have been eligible for an at-large invite.
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Hahaha. Are you seriously arguing this? Wow, that's a new low, and that's saying a lot for you.
 
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You C-N guys sound as though you just got here. This discussion has been going on all day and began with why the NCAA has failed to rule on the punishment that CDT has been given since he was fired one year ago this week. Since Donnie has yet to be punished, maybe one or both of you can put your 2 cents worth in as to why they have taken so long without a resolution. Then we can work up from there till ya'll are both up to speed.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
You C-N guys sound as though you just got here. This discussion has been going on all day and began with why the NCAA has failed to rule on the punishment that CDT has been given since he was fired one year ago this week. Since Donnie has yet to be punished, maybe one or both of you can put your 2 cents worth in as to why they have taken so long without a resolution. Then we can work up from there till ya'll are both up to speed.
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Sadly, I read through the numerous pages. Wish I hadn't, but I'm plenty caught up.

The issue I have here is your argument about automatic bids. Sorry, but that is just a flat out terrible argument.
 
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cncchris33 said:
Sadly, I read through the numerous pages. Wish I hadn't, but I'm plenty caught up.

The issue I have here is your argument about automatic bids. Sorry, but that is just a flat out terrible argument.
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I recall Georgia winning the tornado SECT a few years back and receiving the automatic bid. Barnes has never won the a conference tournament at Texas and Tyndall won 2 at Morehead. The 1st teams selected to the ncaa's are the most elite; automatic bids. The other participants have to wait to hear their name called in order to receive an invitation; not so elite!

In other words, Tyndall was elite to his conference twice and Rick was never elite to his conference!
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
Old and stable may not be bad a bad thing for WKU, from what is swirling what went down at WKU is really ugly and gonna be all over the national scene when it comes out.
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What rumors are you seeing? Everything from point shaving to 3 guys running the train on a girl and filming it to rape to academic impropriety in the fall semester are swirling. No one in BG is speaking. There's no academic concerns, no NCAA concerns, no police investigation at this point according to WKU insiders and the 3 guys were still enrolled and on campus as of early this week. Many are saying they know what happened but none are willing to reveal it.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
I recall Georgia winning the tornado SECT a few years back and receiving the automatic bid. Barnes has never won the a conference tournament at Texas and Tyndall won 2 at Morehead. The 1st teams selected to the ncaa's are the most elite; automatic bids. The other participants have to wait to hear their name called in order to receive an invitation; not so elite!

In other words, Tyndall was elite to his conference twice and Rick was never elite to his conference!
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Are you saying Dennis Felton is elite? Hahaha
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
I recall Georgia winning the tornado SECT a few years back and receiving the automatic bid. Barnes has never won the a conference tournament at Texas and Tyndall won 2 at Morehead. The 1st teams selected to the ncaa's are the most elite; automatic bids. The other participants have to wait to hear their name called in order to receive an invitation; not so elite!

In other words, Tyndall was elite to his conference twice and Rick was never elite to his conference!
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Like I said. Stupid argument. If you don't see that, I can't help you. A 15-20 Holy Cross team was elite this year by your definition.
 
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buzz4tennessee said:
You C-N guys sound as though you just got here. This discussion has been going on all day and began with why the NCAA has failed to rule on the punishment that CDT has been given since he was fired one year ago this week. Since Donnie has yet to be punished, maybe one or both of you can put your 2 cents worth in as to why they have taken so long without a resolution. Then we can work up from there till ya'll are both up to speed.
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Us CN guys don't need to read through your crappy argument. If your argument is that the automatic bids are the most elite teams you're dead freaking wrong. 15-20 Holy Cross, and other sub par teams would definitely disagree with you. Your infatuation with Donnie Tyndall is freaking ridiculous, because he has proven nothing as a big conference head coach... NOTHING. So get your head out of the clouds.. Donnie isn't walking through that door (thank God) and Rick Barnes is our head coach. Meanwhile Tyndall is having fun in juco ball, so I'm done with this pointless debate over a guy who has always had a checkered past.
 
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Mr. Buzz A.K.A. Tyndall fan for life is now on the ignore list. Freaking annoying how all he talks about is how great Tyndall is.
 
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CNeagleVolFan said:
Us CN guys don't need to read through your crappy argument. If your argument is that the automatic bids are the most elite teams you're dead freaking wrong. 15-20 Holy Cross, and other sub par teams would definitely disagree with you. Your infatuation with Donnie Tyndall is freaking ridiculous, because he has proven nothing as a big conference head coach... NOTHING. So get your head out of the clouds.. Donnie isn't walking through that door (thank God) and Rick Barnes is our head coach. Meanwhile Tyndall is having fun in juco ball, so I'm done with this pointless debate over a guy who has always had a checkered past.
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Checkered past? What has he ever been punished for by the NCAA? What was the punishment? I think you may have jumped the gun on this one!
 
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