Jabari McGhee to WKU

[Thunder Good-Oil]

I'm sticking with my original points. TN would have had NCAAT invitations every year going up against the slop in the Sunbelt and Ohio Valley conferences. Also, Kentucky dominated the SEC in an era when TN was frequently the runner up AND the NCAAT was only inviting one team per conference. TN has beaten Kentucky more times than any other school. Factor that into these rubbish greatest team rankings.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

You want to talk RPIs?
Take a look at this weak SEC you've been pushing this season.

Florida 5
Texas AM 17
Alabama 27
KY 29
USC 41
GA 45
Vandy 51
Auburn 52
Ole Miss 76

We've got 13 games against these weaklings.

That's probably skewed from the conference challenges and pre-season tournaments.

I've not exactly been pushing that the SEC is weak. I said that TN could do better than .500 in the conference. And the SEC has been losing a lot of out of conference. Top to bottom... almost any one of them could beat any other. LSU was supposed to be very good, but their coach doesn't seem capable of coaching his way out of a paper bag.

 

[calban]

That's probably skewed from the conference challenges and pre-season tournaments.

Skewed? Lol

It's win and losses bro and our best win is UNC A at rpi 106.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Skewed? Lol

It's win and losses bro and our best win is UNC A at rpi 106.

Yes. Skewed. It's a pretty small sample of games played.

 

[AuntieDee]

I'll link in a bit.
First, you keep referring to a P5 in basketball. Please name which conferences you think are P5 in bb.

Uh oh Calban lol. A thread was shutdown behind this same topic...sort of. But I'm waiting on the answer.

 

[calban]

That's probably skewed from the conference challenges and pre-season tournaments.

I've not exactly been pushing that the SEC is weak. I said that TN could do better than .500 in the conference. And the SEC has been losing a lot of out of conference. Top to bottom... almost any one of them could beat any other. LSU was supposed to be very good, but their coach doesn't seem capable of coaching his way out of a paper bag.

Poor Johnny.
Honestly don't think we'll win more than 5 or 6 in the SEC.
I was giddy when we got Barnes.
After watching him in action, I'm probably leaning toward the guys that think the game has passed him by.

Hate to say that. Hope he can prove me an idiot.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Uh oh Calban lol. A thread was shutdown behind this same topic...sort of. But I'm waiting on the answer.

I answered. The P5 are the members of the SEC, ACC, B10, B12, and PAC12. None of the members have easy schedules. The Big East used to have similar top to bottom competition. WKU has been in conferences chock full of light weights.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Poor Johnny.
Honestly don't think we'll win more than 5 or 6 in the SEC.
I was giddy when we got Barnes.
After watching him in action, I'm probably leaning toward the guys that think the game has passed him by.

Hate to say that. Hope he can prove me an idiot.

I don't know what games you've been watching.

 

[calban]

I don't know what games you've been watching.

This ain't horse shoes. We 5-5.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This ain't horse shoes. We 5-5.

We down two players.

 

[calban]

We down two players.

That would just matter on the last loss.
Hate to say it, Tyndal was 6-4 at this point with a tougher schedule and had a rpi 1-50 win.

And Barnes has a lot more to work with as far as front court players and just wrote them off.
Hell, tyndall got 14 minutes a game out of Wee Willie.
Barnes can't even keep his on roster.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

That would just matter on the last loss.
Hate to say it, Tyndal was 6-4 at this point with a tougher schedule and had a rpi 1-50 win.

And Barnes has a lot more to work with as far as front court players and just wrote them off.
Hell, tyndall got 14 minutes a game out of Wee Willie.
Barnes can't even keep his on roster.

Tyndall had Richardson.

Tyndall had a great run through the first half of the SEC schedule. You're making it sound like he was a Wade Houston or Derek Dooley type of a coach. Tyndall looked great out of the block.

 

[calban]

Tyndall had Richardson.

Tyndall had a great run through the first half of the SEC schedule. You're making it sound like he was a Wade Houston or Derek Dooley type of a coach. Tyndall looked great out of the block.

This team is scoring 20 more points a game without Richardson.
Barnes problem is that he doesn't understand his own defense that has always won or lost with great front court play. He wrote off trying to build a front court before the first game. thus no defense to speak of.

Watch the first half of the last game and tell me the problem with the defense.

Remember you're talking about a mid major better than average for a mid major post player.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This team is scoring 20 more points a game without Richardson.
Barnes problem is that he doesn't understand his own defense that has always won or lost with great front court play. He wrote off trying to build a front court before the first game. thus no defense to speak of.

Watch the first half of the last game and tell me the problem with the defense.

Remember you're talking about a mid major better than average for a mid major post player.

600+ wins and four Big12 Coach of the Year awards say he does.

 

[calban]

600+ wins and four Big12 Coach of the Year awards say he does.

He's got 18 SEC chances to make a season of it.

 

[LittleCat]

I'm sticking with my original points. TN would have had NCAAT invitations every year going up against the slop in the Sunbelt and Ohio Valley conferences. Also, Kentucky dominated the SEC in an era when TN was frequently the runner up AND the NCAAT was only inviting one team per conference. TN has beaten Kentucky more times than any other school. Factor that into these rubbish greatest team rankings.

Mostly because we've played UT over 200 something times, twice a year for decades and decades. We've won 76% of all our games. 70% against UT. Above average. UT certainly has had periods where they are very competitive. And although some UK fans don't admit it, I consider UT a rival. Definitely not one of the top 3 or 4, maybe more, but a rival nonetheless.

I still think WKU, as a lower tier school, did well not just getting in the tournament. I think it's easy to judge a team like UT vs WKU with the same standards. I don't. WKU isn't top dog in it's state at all. Probably not going to have chances to get the type of players UT or UK can get as a big time conference team. The fact they got to the tourney is good, but more impressive is that they didn't just show up and lose like many auto bids throughout the history of the NCAAT.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

They have no pressure on them at all when they cruise into a bid. They're just a level below the big dog leagues... not exactly a Monmouth or Kentucky Valley State. They should win a few.

Never should have torn down Stokely. The curse on KY died with it. Having 9 different coaches in the TBA has been a blessing to KY when visiting Knoxville... plus all of the cheap tickets.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

The myriad is simply looking at NCAAT appearances. It's not a weak argument that being the big fish in weak conferences gets those invitations. When you and your buddy are being chased by a bear, you don't need to be faster than the bear. Just be faster than your buddy. TN historically didn't run faster than KY.

You act as if they recruit at such a superior level to the teams around them. If they're pulling in P5 level recruiting classes and everyone else is pulling in P5 walkon's then yes. That's not the situation. The talent around the league is comparable. So if WKU only has to be better than Murray State historically, for example, how's that any different than UT only having to be better than UK? Two P5 schools with P5 talent competing with each other and two "mid-majors" with mid-major talent competing against each other.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Four of their wins were with an illegal player and were vacated. Also their FF, one of their EEs, and a Sweet 16.

No one cares about vacated accomplishments. Your talent and results still speak for themselves and everyone knows on the court that day WKU was better than UK, KU and J'ville in 1971. McDaniel signing with an agent before the tournament is what made him "illegal". Hardly takes away from the results.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

They have. But they have had the advantage of being able to sleep walk through their entire conference schedule and go all in in the post season. P5s have to fight all year just to get there.

BTW, why haven't WKU and KY played more often? I'll have to assume that KY has been dodging them.

P5's don't have to fight harder, give me a break. P5's get 5-6 teams in all the time. The mid-majors have it tougher because it all comes down to the conference tournament. The whole season is meaningless for them. Murray State went 28-2 last year and lost the OVC tournament in OT and was left out. You think if UT goes 28-2 and loses the SEC final they're left out? How does that make it harder for a P5?

And yes, UK has doged WKU. They lost the last 2 times they played and took their ball and went home. Meanwhile UofL and WKU play almost every year.

 

[IndianapolisVol]

You act as if they recruit at such a superior level to the teams around them. If they're pulling in P5 level recruiting classes and everyone else is pulling in P5 walkon's then yes. That's not the situation. The talent around the league is comparable. So if WKU only has to be better than Murray State historically, for example, how's that any different than UT only having to be better than UK? Two P5 schools with P5 talent competing with each other and two "mid-majors" with mid-major talent competing against each other.

Except UK is the winniest team in college basketball history. Murray State is not. So your point is moot.

Compare UT to S. Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, or UGA and it's more comparable.

Side note: not smart to argue that another team is better than UT historically on a UT forum.

...especially when that team is WESTERN KENTUCKY... Rethink your argument and your surroundings.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

I'm sticking with my original points. TN would have had NCAAT invitations every year going up against the slop in the Sunbelt and Ohio Valley conferences. Also, Kentucky dominated the SEC in an era when TN was frequently the runner up AND the NCAAT was only inviting one team per conference. TN has beaten Kentucky more times than any other school. Factor that into these rubbish greatest team rankings.

Maybe, just maybe UT has played more games vs UK than any other opponent.

How do you know what the UT teams of the 40'-60's would've done vs WKU? You're making assumptions with no way of backing them up. Unless they competed on the court we'll never know what the results would've been.

 

[bowlinggreenvol]

Except UK is the winniest team in college basketball history. Murray State is not. So your point is moot.

Compare UT to S. Carolina, Missouri, Ole Miss, or UGA and it's more comparable.

Side note: not smart to argue that another team is better than UT historically on a UT forum.

...especially when that team is WESTERN KENTUCKY... Rethink your argument and your surroundings.

Historically they are, rethink the definition of historically. GTFO with what board I'm on. As stated before, I've been here a hell of a lot longer than yourself. I don't need to rethink my surroundings, I'm on a board that's dedicated to my alma mater. Doesn't mean I can't provide another angle to topics. If that's not what you want to see, put me on ignore, have me banned or go ***** about it elsewhere. You seem to have a problem with differing opinions and can't carry on a normal discussion. Not a good attribute to carry. Good luck.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No one cares about vacated accomplishments. Your talent and results still speak for themselves and everyone knows on the court that day WKU was better than UK, KU and J'ville in 1971. McDaniel signing with an agent before the tournament is what made him "illegal". Hardly takes away from the results.

That's exactly what it did. Took away the results. TN has a point guard sitting out by rule right now... sure would help to have him playing, but they can't put him in. Kentucky raised questions about Bernard King 's eligibility and Bernard had to sit out until it was resolved. By rule, WKU used an illegal player and had their best NCAAT run ever vacated.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Maybe, just maybe UT has played more games vs UK than any other opponent.

How do you know what the UT teams of the 40'-60's would've done vs WKU? You're making assumptions with no way of backing them up. Unless they competed on the court we'll never know what the results would've been.

WKU is a middle level program that played in lower level conferences. WKU would have been a bottom feeder if in the SEC or the BIG10 or the BIG12. Their conferences, Sunbelt and Ohio Valley, are garbage. Not even mid-major level.