Jameis Winston back in the news again

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volprof said:
They won't hesitate to take anyone to Office of Equity and Diversity or other official review boards. Only tangentially related, but I had a colleague once (when we were GTAs) have a student complain about him cutting classes too short. That's right, a college student actually complained to a review board about not having to sit in class the entire time. You never know what they'll be offended by or do, that's for sure.
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I was in calc 2 class where someone complained about that as well. Heck I wanted to leave in the first 5 minutes.
 
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VolNExile said:
This is true. There were things that just made me roll my eyes before I had kids, but after having three of them, the same stuff made me go ballistic.
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"A man who views the world at 50 years old the same way he did at 20 years old, wasted 30 years of his life."
- Muhammad Ali
 
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volinbham said:
sounds very familiar - for institutions of higher learning and free thinking they sure are bureaucratic, PC and rule bound :crazy:
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I think the student's official complaint regarded my colleague (GTA, mind you; not professorial) wasting her parents' money for her tuition. While I partially understand that rationale, that has to be the first college student in history to actually take his or her parents' hard-earned money spent on them into consideration. It blew my mind at the time.

Luckily, for me, I'm big enough of a wind-bag and narcissist to deny my students even a second of my pontificating about this or that.
 
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UT_Dutchman said:
I was in calc 2 class where someone complained about that as well. Heck I wanted to leave in the first 5 minutes.
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It just takes that one student. All it takes. Heck, this past Thursday, students in one of my classes in the morning could tell I was tired and aloof, so they readily volunteered for leaving the class early to allow me to catch up on some sleep. Unfortunately, for them, I'm an *******.

But all it would take is one student in that class getting pissed off if I were to have let it out early.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Because its silly to suspend someone for a game for basically telling a Richard Prior joke.
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So he was simply telling a quite joke to some friends at his lunch table? Or did he stand up and shout it at the top of his lungs in a public setting?

If I told that same joke, I'd be suspended from my job.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Because its silly to suspend someone for a game for basically telling a Richard Prior joke.
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Isn't the difference that people who went to a Richard Pryor concert or who watch a Richard Pryor DVD chose to do so, most likely having some prior awareness of what they would be hearing? Versus eating in the college cafeteria, trying to cram for a test, and having that shouted out.

I love Richard Pryor, but I wouldn't put my speakers in the upstairs windows and blare it out all over the neighborhood.

Part of growing up is learning to have enough sense to know what's OK in a random public gathering vs what's OK at home or with your buds. It's not being PC; it's having some (un)common consideration for others and some (un)common sense.
 
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Another funny story, and I don't mind sharing it because nothing came of it, but it demonstrates how careful you have to be with your actions in a public work environment.

When I first started TAing (I was only 22 at the time and not actually teaching or grading; just sitting in on a class to observe and learn the ropes), I approached a girl who had been in the class (some months after the class ended) about possibly going out sometime. My god, we were only 4 or 5 years apart in age. My wife and I are 6 years apart.

Anyhow, she denied me then. But a year or two later, when I was first actually teaching, I had a class in the same building as her at the same time. In order to make sure I get to class on time, I always arrive quite early. So I hang outside the buildings typically, waiting to go in. She of course, would walk by, but I never said anything to her or acknowledged her. I was just hanging out, bidding my time before class.

The girl actually went to the Office of Equity and Diversity about me. She claimed I was stalking her. Just from me having once asked her out a couple years ago and having been sitting around outside the same building we had to be in at the same time.

I'll never forget the head of my dept. having me come in his office to officially discuss it. He understood immediately and admitted it was kind of goofy but wanted me to be sure to avoid further escalating matters. So no more hanging outside the building like I always did for me anymore. It made me feel like some sort of rapist at the time.

In retrospect, I realize the girl was naive, but it still drastically changed me. I'm careful as hell now about all my actions on campus. Can't even fart in your office anymore because if a student shows up unannounced, they might get offended by the smell and file an official complaint.
 
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As a FSU donor, albeit a small one, I do find Winston to be rather stupid. I am growing tired of his act. Like I tell me fourth graders, don't tell me sorry, show me that you're sorry. There is no difference in his actions.

For the record, he was suspended for the stealing. It was during baseball season. Paid the fine, the amount for the crab legs, and did community service.
 
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MSUDuo said:
As a FSU donor, albeit a small one, I do find Winston to be rather stupid. I am growing tired of his act. Like I tell me fourth graders, don't tell me sorry, show me that you're sorry. There is no difference in his actions.

For the record, he was suspended for the stealing. It was during baseball season. Paid the fine, the amount for the crab legs, and did community service.
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The rumor/conjecture down here is that lots of football players did this all the time and that the Publix workers always just looked the other way. But a new employee, unaware of the arrangement, reported him.

Would explain his nonchalant demeanor.
 
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lawgator1 said:
The rumor/conjecture down here is that lots of football players did this all the time and that the Publix workers always just looked the other way. But a new employee, unaware of the arrangement, reported him.

Would explain his nonchalant demeanor.
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Doesn't make it right.

Stupid people being stupid.
 
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volprof said:
They won't hesitate to take anyone to Office of Equity and Diversity or other official review boards. Only tangentially related, but I had a colleague once (when we were GTAs) have a student complain about him cutting classes too short. That's right, a college student actually complained to a review board about not having to sit in class the entire time. You never know what they'll be offended by or do, that's for sure.
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For this very reason, I give my students every minute that they pay for. :)
 
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zjcvols said:
1) He didn't say it at a workplace he said it in a college cafeteria. There is a difference.

2) Did I ever say it was correct to say it? No. My point being that make him run stairs for days. If that's all he said and he was honest about the situation, I'm sorry, but a 20 year old saying a sex act in public isn't suspension worthy.
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Why are you ignoring the Title IX aspect of this whole incident? Schools that receive federal funding MUST provide an environment free of sexual harassment. If the feds find that reported incidents of sexual assault or sexual harassment have not been assessed appropriately, they can pull their funding.

I'm thinking FSU has a few good lawyers advising the university that in the middle of a Title XI investigation, turning a blind eye to Winston screaming "F*** her right in the p****" in the middle of the student union in front of female students is akin to a tacit approval of his behavior.
 
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Nice to see that only after being told that they got it wrong.. FSU gets it right. Furthermore they are only willing to get it right by prefacing their decision by stating that the reason for extending Winston's suspension to an entire game is Winston's fault because he was "not entirely truthful or forthcoming" to the university.

It's ironic that FSU would display such bad judgment since the this is one of the very reasons they are punishing Winston. I guess the only difference is that Winston doesnt have anyone to pass the buck to.

In the words of Jimbo Fisher, "We're in charge. It's our team." Oorah!!
 
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WooPigSooie said:
Nice to see that only after being told that they got it wrong.. FSU gets it right. Furthermore they are only willing to get it right by prefacing their decision by stating that the reason for extending Winston's suspension to an entire game is Winston's fault because he was "not entirely truthful or forthcoming" to the university.

It's ironic that FSU would display such bad judgment since the this is one of the very reasons they are punishing Winston. I guess the only difference is that Winston doesnt have anyone to pass the buck to.

In the words of Jimbo Fisher, "We're in charge. It's our team." Oorah!!
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Fisher is against this. It is being done despite him.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Fisher is against this. It is being done despite him.
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I wonder if Fisher is willing to admit that he got it wrong. I also wonder if he ran his initial half-game suspension idea past anyone in administration before he attempted to enforce it.

Had this been one of the defensive linemen or back up linebackers that did this.. I wonder if the punishment would have been the same.
 
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WooPigSooie said:
I wonder if Fisher is willing to admit that he got it wrong. I also wonder if he ran his initial half-game suspension idea past anyone in administration before he attempted to enforce it.

Had this been one of the defensive linemen or back up linebackers that did this.. I wonder if the punishment would have been the same.
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If it had been anyone other than Winston the punishment probably would have been much less. We probably never would have even heard about the incident.
 
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508mikey said:
If Clemson loses tonight - they suck
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I would imagine it's a bit of a double-edged sword for Clemson.. they spend all week prepping to play the FSU offense they have seen on tape. Now they have had the last 24 hours to travel, pregame, and do the best they can to control the damage this has done to their game plan. I hope they didnt forget their whiteboards if FSU starts having luck with a different look they dont normally run.
 
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