James Franklin is supposedly....

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So, there is no difference in quality of opposition in the MAC, the former Big East, and the SEC? A team with a record of X-Y in the MAC is of the same caliber as a team with a record of X-Y in the SEC?

Am I following, Balls?
 
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bamawriter said:
So, there is no difference in quality of opposition in the MAC, the former Big East, and the SEC? A team with a record of X-Y in the MAC is of the same caliber as a team with a record of X-Y in the SEC?

Am I following, Balls?
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No, and the rosters aren't identical either. They both have done well at their stops. Jones has beaten more teams with winning records which that somehow was the litmus test. However, I'm not ready to crown either one being a really good coach until they both have a legit job with a number of years under their belt. We'll know more about Jones in 2015. We'll know more about Frank if he goes to Penn St and the NCAA probation is over.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Anytime CMU beats a team like Mich St it's a big deal. Ask anyone up there. The rosters are nowhere comparable. Anyone that knows anything about football knows that. You tried to discount his wins by listing two wins against lower rated teams. I gave you teams that were as good or better than the teams Frank had beaten with similar or less talent. He had 8 wins against teams with winning records at CMU and 6 wins against teams with winning records at Cincy.

8 > 4
6 > 4

It appears you have been smoking too much meth that you have been cooking in that green egg.
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So now it's about talent. So Franklin's teams were competing and winning some SEC games with Vandy "talent"...which is closer to MAC talent historically.

You and many others on here are holding Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, UGA, & LSU but you just gave Jones credit for beating Michigan St with CMU talent. It's pretty much the same thing with Vandy.
 
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Boca Vol said:
So now it's about talent. So Franklin's teams were competing and winning some SEC games with Vandy "talent"...which is closer to MAC talent historically.

You and many others on here are holding Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, UGA, & LSU but you just gave Jones credit for beating Michigan St with CMU talent. It's pretty much the same thing with Vandy.
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I thought JF had classes in the 20's..?
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, and the rosters aren't identical either. They both have done well at their stops. Jones has beaten more teams with winning records which that somehow was the litmus test. However, I'm not ready to crown either one being a really good coach until they both have a legit job with a number of years under their belt. We'll know more about Jones in 2015. We'll know more about Frank if he goes to Penn St and the NCAA probation is over.
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I pretty much agree with all of this.
 
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tim said:
I thought JF had classes in the 20's..?
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That was the 2012 (29) and 2013 (19) classes and they would have been FR & Sophs. Are you expecting great things from UT's incoming class this year? Most are not that's why you see 6-6 as being a good year in 2014 but great expections for '16-'17.
 
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Boca Vol said:
So now it's about talent. So Franklin's teams were competing and winning some SEC games with Vandy "talent"...which is closer to MAC talent historically.

You and many others on here are holding Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, UGA, & LSU but you just gave Jones credit for beating Michigan St with CMU talent. It's pretty much the same thing with Vandy.
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I don't know about everyone else, but my statement is that James Franklin needs to move on and prove himself. Jones has moved on and is yet to prove himself.
 
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Orange_Crush said:
I don't know about everyone else, but my statement is that James Franklin needs to move on and prove himself. Jones has moved on and is yet to prove himself.
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I agree. Franklin has reached the end of the road at Vandy and it's time for him to move on. I don't think he'll be at Penn St. very long. It's a disaster with the Paterno legacy. If he wins some games there he'll move on within 3-4 years.
 
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Did Franklin ever interview for the NFL openings? I saw lots of reports that he was scheduled to interview for Cleveland and Washington. I never saw anything that confirmed that he did interview.

The reason I ask is because I wonder if that is where he aspires to be someday?
 
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Boca Vol said:
So now it's about talent. So Franklin's teams were competing and winning some SEC games with Vandy "talent"...which is closer to MAC talent historically.

You and many others on here are holding Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, UGA, & LSU but you just gave Jones credit for beating Michigan St with CMU talent. It's pretty much the same thing with Vandy.
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No, you discounted Jones' wins by listing two no name teams. I then provided 14 wins they had over teams with a winning record not counting a Mich St team that had more talent. That was because you were propping up Vandy for winning with less talent. You are chasing your own tail. Frank beat 4 teams with a winning record. Jones beat 14. Spin that all you want. That seems to be your litmus test so I gave you facts and you tried to discount the wins.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, you discounted Jones' wins by listing two no name teams. I then provided 14 wins they had over teams with a winning record not counting a Mich St team that had more talent. That was because you were propping up Vandy for winning with less talent. You are chasing your own tail. Frank beat 4 teams with a winning record. Jones beat 14. Spin that all you want. That seems to be your litmus test so I gave you facts and you tried to discount the wins.
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Your point isn't a bad one. I think Boca is harping on this a bit too much. I still think the bigger issue is the state of the programs each coach took over. The expectations for Jones at CMU and Cincinnati should have been signficantly higher than the expectations for Franklin at Vandy.
 
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bamawriter said:
Your point isn't a bad one. I think Boca is harping on this a bit too much. I still think the bigger issue is the state of the programs each coach took over. The expectations for Jones at CMU and Cincinnati should have been signficantly higher than the expectations for Franklin at Vandy.
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I agree on Cincy although they've never been great. CMU has had some horrific seasons just like Vandy. They get the scraps left over after Michigan, Mich St and the other Big 10 teams.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
I agree on Cincy although they've never been great. CMU has had some horrific seasons just like Vandy. They get the scraps left over after Michigan, Mich St and the other Big 10 teams.
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Long-term history only counts for so much. Brian Kelly handed over the keys to programs that he'd coached to success. The talent was there at both stops. Cincinnati was far and away the best team in the Big East when Kelly left.

Franklin got a team that was coming off two 2-10 seasons, one of which was coached by an interim. Not to mention the fact that Vandy basically did no recruiting from July 2010 until Franklin was hired, less than two months away from Signing Day 2011.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
No, you discounted Jones' wins by listing two no name teams. I then provided 14 wins they had over teams with a winning record not counting a Mich St team that had more talent. That was because you were propping up Vandy for winning with less talent. You are chasing your own tail. Frank beat 4 teams with a winning record. Jones beat 14. Spin that all you want. That seems to be your litmus test so I gave you facts and you tried to discount the wins.
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bamawriter said:
Your point isn't a bad one. I think Boca is harping on this a bit too much. I still think the bigger issue is the state of the programs each coach took over. The expectations for Jones at CMU and Cincinnati should have been signficantly higher than the expectations for Franklin at Vandy.
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That's not my litmus test. Who Franklin has beaten seems to be the thing that a lot of people throw out around here. My thing is you can't hold Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, etc. It's Vandy! They're more like a MAC team historically that gets to play in the SEC. Winning games at Vandy is impressive, no matter the situation.

I've said it many times, Jones and Franklin's successes are very similar and I stick by that.
 
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give_him 6 said:
Did Franklin ever interview for the NFL openings? I saw lots of reports that he was scheduled to interview for Cleveland and Washington. I never saw anything that confirmed that he did interview.

The reason I ask is because I wonder if that is where he aspires to be someday?
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I don't think anyone ever confirmed he interviewed for those places but I'm pretty sure I heard one of the stations here in Nashville say he interviewed with the Texans.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
I don't think anyone ever confirmed he interviewed for those places but I'm pretty sure I heard one of the stations here in Nashville say he interviewed with the Texans.
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My understanding is the Browns and Redskins both reached out as well. But I'm not sure that either wound up leading to a formal interview.
 
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bamawriter said:
Long-term history only counts for so much. Brian Kelly handed over the keys to programs that he'd coached to success. The talent was there at both stops. Cincinnati was far and away the best team in the Big East when Kelly left.

Franklin got a team that was coming off two 2-10 seasons, one of which was coached by an interim. Not to mention the fact that Vandy basically did no recruiting from July 2010 until Franklin was hired, less than two months away from Signing Day 2011.
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Yet, everyone that knows the Vandy situation knew that Johnson didn't leave the cupboard bare. There was talent to work with. Johnson coasted after his bowl season. Even the AD said he got a little complacent. Vandy had talent similar to Cincy type of talent. That's why Cincy was winning titles in the Big East and Vandy was finishing about mid-pack at best in the SEC.
 
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Boca Vol said:
That's not my litmus test. Who Franklin has beaten seems to be the thing that a lot of people throw out around here. My thing is you can't hold Vandy to the same standard as UT, Bama, UF, etc. It's Vandy! They're more like a MAC team historically that gets to play in the SEC. Winning games at Vandy is impressive, no matter the situation.

I've said it many times, Jones and Franklin's successes are very similar and I stick by that.
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Yet, you continue to laugh at some of Jones' wins and brush off some of the teams he did beat. He beat Louisville twice who has been a pretty good program coached by a pretty good coach in Strong.

All I said all along was look at who they beat. Frank was 4-15 against teams that finished .500 or better. Yes, winning at Vandy should be cause for celebration, but once you look at who they beat and the circumstances behind it (crippled Fla team, beat up UGA team, UT in one of its worst stretches ever) then it's not that surprising.
 
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OrangeBalls said:
Yet, everyone that knows the Vandy situation knew that Johnson didn't leave the cupboard bare... Vandy had talent similar to Cincy type of talent...
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I'm not sure I agree with that. Vandy's recruting classes ranked behind Cincy's during all three years of Kelly's tenure, and usually well behind:

'09 - #53 vs #72
'08 - #51 vs #74
'07 - #80 vs #87
 
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bamawriter said:
I'm not sure I agree with that. Vandy's recruting classes ranked behind Cincy's during all three years of Kelly's tenure, and usually well behind:

'09 - #53 vs #72
'08 - #51 vs #74
'07 - #80 vs #87
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After you get out of the top 30-40, does it really matter? I don't know. I'm not a recruiting guru. I figure they both get mainly 2-3 stars at that point and have to coach them up anyway.
 
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Boca Vol said:
Half the damn league won the Big East in 2012!

Franklin's only HC experience is at Vandy. He didn't start out at CMU or Cincy. Saban would have 0 conference titles had he been the Vandy coach the past 3 seasons.

Outside of S. Carolina, who has Jones beaten? They look almost identical.
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One of my high school teams finished in a 3 way tie for the district championship. We were all 9-1. We each lost 1 game to each other..... Were we all 3 bad teams because we split the championship?

It's utterly amazing to me that you guys will go to the mat to defend Franklin's record of beating bad teams, all the while going out of your way to disparage our current coach.

What is the impulse? Dooley guy? Kiffin guy? Fulmer guy? .... Franklin guy? Or just anti-Butch guy?
 
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KBVol said:
One of my high school teams finished in a 3 way tie for the district championship. We were all 9-1. We each lost 1 game to each other..... Were we all 3 bad teams because we split the championship?

It's utterly amazing to me that you guys will go to the way to defend Franklin's record of beating bad teams, all the while going out of your way to disparage our current coach.

What is the impulse? Dooley guy? Kiffin guy? Fulmer guy? .... Franklin guy? Or just anti-Butch guy?
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Outside of a legit top 10 team, who have we beat? Lmao, is that a serious question? Dude is a troll KB. Just let it go.
 
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so he covers a rape at vandy and now goin to penn state where the worst rape ever happened....wow penn state way to bring in a winner
 
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