January 5th Insurrection (Kazakhstan)

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85SugarVol said:
But where are the protests?!?
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There have been some but nothing on this scale yet that have tested the loyalty of his security forces. So far fear is still working but what happens when the Russian people no longer have fear?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
I sure did. And I gave you the exact reason why. That is in Russia's sphere of influence and we have done all of the globetrotting and "nation building" excursions to last 2 centuries. We have got our own issues right here. Kazakhstan is not our issue anymore than Ukraine or Syria are.
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I gotta agree here.

We need to focus on this country and this region.

At some point the area there had to step up.

This nation building stuff is crap.
 
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NEO said:
I gotta agree here.

We need to focus on this country and this region.

At some point the area there had to step up.

This nation building stuff is crap.
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Don't know about you, but after seeing the history of our gov, who knows truth and righteousness. The list is endless..Gulf of Tonkin, etc. Was Iraqi War implemented on assassination attempt on Pops?
Countries don't always act in national interests as sometimes as evidenced in personal, political or hidden interests.
A lot to unravel, but watching our DOJ actively subvert our past President, I wouldn't put anything out of possibility.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Don't know about you, but after seeing the history of our gov, who knows truth and righteousness. The list is endless..Gulf of Tonkin, etc. Was Iraqi War implemented on assassination attempt on Pops?
Countries don't always act in national interests as sometimes as evidenced in personal, political or hidden interests.
A lot to unravel, but watching our DOJ actively subvert our past President, I wouldn't put anything out of possibility.
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The more history anyone reads the worse it seems to get.

WW2 looks like it could have been easily adverted and also looks like we caused Japan to draw us in due to the embargo.

WW1 looks like it may have been completely caused by a handful of bankers and the way it ended is really really fishy.

Vietnam was a total waste of time unless the goal was to wipe out a large group of low income kids.

Afghanistan was a total waste of lives.

And you nailed Iraq. All we did was destabilize region and help Iran.

it’s time for our “allies” to take the lead.
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
Oh we know dude we know 😂
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Honest question….

Let’s say you are the US President.

How do you handle it?

I’m staying out unless a large group of pro democracy population rises up and is enough to control the government.

Otherwise, I am out.
 
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NEO said:
Honest question….

Let’s say you are the US President.

How do you handle it?

I’m staying out unless a large group of pro democracy population rises up and is enough to control the government.

Otherwise, I am out.
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We don’t need to be putting any troops or anybody in there at all. It isn’t our problem. However let’s not act like Putin is justified in making a heavy handed response to prop up his puppet government that’s all. And that is what I’m giving Ras crap over.
 
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NEO said:
The more history anyone reads the worse it seems to get.

WW2 looks like it could have been easily adverted and also looks like we caused Japan to draw us in due to the embargo.

WW1 looks like it may have been completely caused by a handful of bankers and the way it ended is really really fishy.

Vietnam was a total waste of time unless the goal was to wipe out a large group of low income kids.

Afghanistan was a total waste of lives.

And you nailed Iraq. All we did was destabilize region and help Iran.

it’s time for our “allies” to take the lead.
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Can't help but think the USA has been assigned "protection" of a system with the dollar as the reserve currency. $30T later and we are still have to meet this commitment while at the same time committing resources to the socialist demands.
Trump called out NATO to meet their decades commitment to 2% of GNP for defense needs which they neglected, and the Radicals lose their minds.
Something has to give or gonna break us.

Look at someone like FDR...took a WW and 12 years to get out of a Depression, yet worshipped by the left. Not to mention, the freaking war was years in development and we were totally unprepared.

Sorry..I am rambling
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
We don’t need to be putting any troops or anybody in there at all. It isn’t our problem. However let’s not act like Putin is justified in making a heavy handed response to prop up his puppet government that’s all. And that is what I’m giving Ras crap over.
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Puppet governments make the world go round.

Without them arms manufactures go out of business and the major nations have to actually learn to get along or completely self isolate.
 
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Orangeburst said:
Can't help but think the USA has been assigned "protection" of a system with the dollar as the reserve currency. $30T later and we are still have to meet this commitment while at the same time committing resources to the socialist demands.
Trump called out NATO to meet their decades commitment to 2% of GNP for defense needs which they neglected, and the Radicals lose their minds.
Something has to give or gonna break us.

Look at someone like FDR...took a WW and 12 years to get out of a Depression, yet worshipped by the left. Not to mention, the freaking war was years in development and we were totally unprepared.

Sorry..I am rambling
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I think your petro dollar belief is spot on.

We went off the gold standard and sold our souls for the petro.

Never saw that angle before but it’s spot on and makes a ton of sense. Too much sense.
 
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NEO said:
Puppet governments make the world go round.

Without them arms manufactures go out of business and the major nations have to actually learn to get along or completely self isolate.
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No. Puppet governments just provide a venue for the big boys to have their proxy wars against each other in. Far from making the world go round. And yes I mean all the big boys us too. Regardless this isn’t our problem to send people in on. As long as they’ve got cash money I’ve got no problem with making some arms money for us though and causing Putin heartburn as bonus!
 
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NorthDallas40 said:
No. Puppet governments just provide a venue for the big boys to have their proxy wars against each other in. Far from making the world go round. And yes I mean all the big boys us too. Regardless this isn’t our problem to send people in on. As long as they’ve got cash money I’ve got no problem with making some arms money for us though and causing Putin heartburn as bonus!
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I hate proxy wars and all wars.

My motto is leave me alone.

You attack me though I send you back to the Stone Age. No troops. Just missiles and bombs until every leader is dead.

I then tell the people left to fix it and if you ever attack us we do this again.

I then walk away.
 
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Burhead said:
There have been some but nothing on this scale yet that have tested the loyalty of his security forces. So far fear is still working but what happens when the Russian people no longer have fear?
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Sorry, I was channeling Ras there.
 
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NEO said:
I hate proxy wars and all wars.

My motto is leave me alone.

You attack me though I send you back to the Stone Age. No troops. Just missiles and bombs until every leader is dead.

I then tell the people left to fix it and if you ever attack us we do this again.

I then walk away.
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Many say the Bretton Woods Agreement died when thew US went off the GS, yet the institutions created are still alive and well.

"The Bretton Woods institutions (BWIs), the International Monetary Fund (IMF), and the World Bank were created to bring about orderly development of the world economy in the post-World War II era."
 
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NEO said:
The more history anyone reads the worse it seems to get.

WW2 looks like it could have been easily adverted and also looks like we caused Japan to draw us in due to the embargo.

WW1 looks like it may have been completely caused by a handful of bankers and the way it ended is really really fishy.

Vietnam was a total waste of time unless the goal was to wipe out a large group of low income kids.

Afghanistan was a total waste of lives.

And you nailed Iraq. All we did was destabilize region and help Iran.

it’s time for our “allies” to take the lead.
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Consider what the reasoning was for us to enter the war in the first place... the sinking of The Lusitania. 1200 lives lost because we were arming the Brits. Germany had warned us about using passenger ships to carry munitions and placed ads in several newspapers warning travelers about the situation.

Lusitania divers warned of danger from war munitions in 1982, papers reveal

"Successive British governments have always maintained that there was no munitions on board the Lusitania (and that the Germans were therefore in the wrong to claim to the contrary as an excuse for sinking the ship)," wrote Noel Marshall, the head of the Foreign Office's North America department, on 30 July 1982.

"The facts are that there is a large amount of ammunition in the wreck, some of which is highly dangerous. The Treasury have decided that they must inform the salvage company of this fact in the interests of the safety of all concerned. Although there have been rumours in the press that the previous denial of the presence of munitions was untrue, this would be the first acknowledgement of the facts by HMG."


Research Guides: Sinking of the Lusitania: Topics in Chronicling America: Introduction

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NorthDallas40 said:
We don’t need to be putting any troops or anybody in there at all. It isn’t our problem. However let’s not act like Putin is justified in making a heavy handed response to prop up his puppet government that’s all. And that is what I’m giving Ras crap over.
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You are creating a straw man and tearing it to pieces. A heavy handed response? The leadership asked for Russian assistance. How is that heavy handed in any way?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Consider what the reasoning was for us to enter the war in the first place... the sinking of The Lusitania. 1200 lives lost because we were arming the Brits. Germany had warned us about using passenger ships to carry munitions and placed ads in several newspapers warning travelers about the situation.

Lusitania divers warned of danger from war munitions in 1982, papers reveal

"Successive British governments have always maintained that there was no munitions on board the Lusitania (and that the Germans were therefore in the wrong to claim to the contrary as an excuse for sinking the ship)," wrote Noel Marshall, the head of the Foreign Office's North America department, on 30 July 1982.

"The facts are that there is a large amount of ammunition in the wreck, some of which is highly dangerous. The Treasury have decided that they must inform the salvage company of this fact in the interests of the safety of all concerned. Although there have been rumours in the press that the previous denial of the presence of munitions was untrue, this would be the first acknowledgement of the facts by HMG."


Research Guides: Sinking of the Lusitania: Topics in Chronicling America: Introduction

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Now here is the million dollar question….did we let it leak to the Germans knowing they would probably sink the ship and give us a rally cry to enter the war?

Sadly I am so jaded anymore I would bet they did.
 
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NEO said:
I think your petro dollar belief is spot on.

We went off the gold standard and sold our souls for the petro.

Never saw that angle before but it’s spot on and makes a ton of sense. Too much sense.
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If you think about it, we got off the gold standard in 1971. Kissinger was able to cut a deal with the Saudis and the other Arab oil producers that they could raise the price of oil to whatever they felt was necessary to compensate for the dollar being decoupled from gold. The one condition was that they had to recirculate all of their proceeds back into dollar assets/equities. As a result of that action, this gave you the oil shock of the early 1970's.

What many people probably didn't know then and don't know now, but that was essentially the dollar being revalued.
 
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NEO said:
Now here is the million dollar question….did we let it leak to the Germans knowing they would probably sink the ship and give us a rally cry to enter the war?

Sadly I am so jaded anymore I would bet they did.
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"We", as in the US? I give that a 10-20% likelihood.

If I had my money on it, I would say The Brits had every incentive to do what you are suggesting to drag us into the war with them.

And I only say that because believe it or not, they tried the exact same strategy in 1939 or 1940 (I can't remember when specifically because I'm going off of memory), but the Germans didn't bite on it this time. The United States did provide aid to Britain using civilian ships and naval vessels, but none of the civilian fleets were bothered.
 
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Just peaceful protestors!

*looks at skin complexion of protestors - where Kazakhstan is on a map*

I mean violent treasonous right wing lunatics starting WW3!
 
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