Jason Shay resigned at ETSU

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hog88 said:
Don’t sell him short, he can be that and more.
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Hey, if it is that easy to explain and I am that dumb for not getting I find it ironic nobody has explained it to me.

C'mon guys. Let's see your brilliance in action.
 
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golfballs said:
How does the national anthem have any direct affect on the every day life of Colin Kaepernick and all the other athletes after him? Who are the snowflakes on this issue?
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You have snowflakes on both sides. Neither side has a monopoly on stupidity in all of this. Kaepernick started it, and the right wingers kept it going.

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" — Obi-Wan Kenobi
 
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golfballs said:
Because they have said a lot of times what the aim of the protest is, and in almost all cases they said it’s not to disrespect the flag or the anthem. Seems like in order for them to keep protesting and “facilitating conversation” they would need for the anthem to keep being played. So kind of counterproductive. Also, labeling anyone who disapproves as a redneck is kind of part of the exercise of just making people angry and hate each other. Not really conducive to a healthy conversation
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If the anthem is removed, don't you think they will find other ways to protest.

Besides, there are several athletes from other countries forced to "respect" America's flag, that's basically telling them their national pride is subservient to America.
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
You have snowflakes on both sides. Neither side has a monopoly on stupidity in all of this. Kaepernick started it, and the right wingers kept it going.

"Who's the more foolish, the fool or the fool who follows him?" — Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Lol that’s a great quote. That’s why this flag thing is a distraction from the issue and why the entire debate is kind of dumb. Wouldn’t it be better off if they can play the anthem AND there be conversations about social reforms? Isnt that what each side wants? It’s not a mutually exclusive outcome
 
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McDad said:
If the anthem is removed, don't you think they will find other ways to protest.

Besides, there are several athletes from other countries forced to "respect" America's flag, that's basically telling them their national pride is subservient to America.
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Literally never thought of it like that, and that's a great point imo.
 
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McDad said:
If the anthem is removed, don't you think they will find other ways to protest.

Besides, there are several athletes from other countries forced to "respect" America's flag, that's basically telling them their national pride is subservient to America.
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Yeah that’s my point. They will have to find another way to protest. And if what they’re doing is actually helping then it would be counterproductive if it had to go away.

The issue about athletes from other countries is a different point. But it’s kind of ironic because the act of kneeling is a symbol of subservience
 
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golfballs said:
Lol that’s a great quote. That’s why this flag thing is a distraction from the issue and why the entire debate is kind of dumb. Wouldn’t it be better off if they can play the anthem AND there be conversations about social reforms? Isnt that what each side wants? It’s not a mutually exclusive outcome
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Man, we have people on both sides of that issue that are just so emotional about everything... I'm not sure if common sense can overcome it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
Forced patriotism most certainly is a political action.
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No, respect for the flag and national anthem are codified, but that either be required as part of a pre game is not - that's just historical. If the practice of displaying the flag and singing/playing the national anthem were political action, then it would come and go with the political office in party or perhaps the political preferences of those running the school.
 
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OrangeVolMan said:
Not saying where I stand on this but Vol49er was right. You state the flag stands for freedom and then go on to the players don’t have the freedom to kneel.
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True but then 49er then says the school shouldn’t have the freedom to force him out. Round and round it goes. So where does freedom start and stop and according to whom?
 
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McDad said:
If the anthem is removed, don't you think they will find other ways to protest.

Besides, there are several athletes from other countries forced to "respect" America's flag, that's basically telling them their national pride is subservient to America.
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IMO we should change the anthem protocol. Instead of standing with a hand over our heart protocol needs to be kneeling with head bowed. Let's show some real respect and deference to the flag!
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Glad you threw in the "a lot" and not "all" Americans. BTW, after what you've seen in the last few months, do you want symbols of freedom or real freedom? You guys seem to get more worked up over this damn flag issue than you did the damn election...


Then remove politics from the event all together.


Right wing snowflakes engaged in cancel culture.
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That’s funny because I believe it is the far left who are the ones who have bought into the cancel culture.
 
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McDad said:
If the anthem is removed, don't you think they will find other ways to protest.

Besides, there are several athletes from other countries forced to "respect" America's flag, that's basically telling them their national pride is subservient to America.
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That’s not how it works...... you go play for an American team..... you typically follow the country you are playing at customs..... American players that play overseas typically follow that countries customs..... I feel a team is like a job..... you have to do what the team/university wants you to do..... you can protest on your own time.
 
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I said it in another thread, just make every anthem played Jimi Hendrix. Probably the best rendition out there, and would be funny watching people protest Hendrix.

/thread.
 
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SGMVols said:
Part of me thinks the kneeling was used as cover to force out a coach for free because he wasn’t winning. I kind of doubt this happens if ETSU is 22-3 this year instead of 13-12. Winning cures all, as they say...
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I don't think Shay was a popular choice (among some players and fans) to replace Forbes, but it certainly was an easy choice at the time...
 
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volbeast33 said:
That’s not how it works...... you go play for an American team..... you typically follow the country you are playing at customs..... American players that play overseas typically follow that countries customs..... I feel a team is like a job..... you have to do what the team/university wants you to do..... you can protest on your own time.
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This.
 
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golfballs said:
I thought my post was a reasonable, objective take. Seems like you’re being quite sensitive over this issue yourself. My post specifically said it’s a distraction from the aim of their protests. Which is true. Now the conversation becomes whether we play it at the events at all. So when they quit playing the anthem, which was not what their protests were set out to do, then what? It won’t have actually solved any of their problems, they’ll just have to find another way to protest.
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I'm actually waiting for the athletes to walk off the floor or field to protest whatever it is they protest...Then you will have another huge can of worms to deal with...
 
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malibuvol said:
I'm actually waiting for the athletes to walk off the floor or field to protest whatever it is they protest...Then you will have another huge can of worms to deal with...
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Now that would be a meaningful protest. Would really show how serious they are.
 
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malibuvol said:
I'm actually waiting for the athletes to walk off the floor or field to protest whatever it is they protest...Then you will have another huge can of worms to deal with...
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This I will not happen.

It is much easier to do nothing (kneel for the anthem). If you walk off and dont play, you have to have some type of result that is finally reached that you say allows you to play again. But since most cant logically point to what they are even protesting, it is impossible to point to the result needed.
 
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