Jaylen McCollough arrested

[marcusluvsvols]

Ricky you might be a KPD cop bud....but unless you were on scene you should not know all the things you claim here are absolute truth. If you DID, in fact, respond to this call...then your statements here are illegal and could easily get this charge against him tossed ...even if he was guilty...because you went online and made all these claims publicly , right? Seems like either way, you posting these details here which nobody else can substantiate is a bad idea for a KPD cop IMO...

 

[walkenvol]

Anyone remember a girl lying about AJ Johnson and almost ruining his career. And did ruin his last year at UT.

Did anything punitive ever happen to the girl? If not, that’s a huge flaw in our legal system.

 

[walkenvol]

You'all are correct in pointing out that both sides of the story have not been heard.
It could well be that the victim here shares much more blame for what happened than he told the officers.
But, short of this guy pulling a weapon (knife, gun, lead pipe), McCollough is dumb and selfish for what he did.
Again, other than a weapon being involved, McCollough should have at the front of his mind to avoid anything that could land him in trouble.
He should have walked away and closed the door - call Police if the guy returns.
Problem being that some of these individuals abide by this idiotic culture that says you must never be disrespected in any way, lest you initiate violence.

How old are you?

 

[savannahfan]

In Bama, the drunk guy gets a visit from someone with a bag full of money and miraculously when he’s sober and tells the police that he’s 100% responsible for what happens, the charges are dropped.

Not sure but this sound "tongue and cheek". My post is serious and factually true!

 

[CAVPUT]

Did anything punitive ever happen to the girl? If not, that’s a huge flaw in our legal system.

The real flaw is the move away from innocent until proven guilty. If that were still the norm, cases like the one involving AJ wouldn't be an issue. How we came to the point of guilty until proven innocent is a real travesty.

 

[walkenvol]

Ricky you might be a KPD cop bud....but unless you were on scene you should not know all the things you claim here are absolute truth. If you DID, in fact, respond to this call...then your statements here are illegal and could easily get this charge against him tossed ...even if he was guilty...because you went online and made all these claims publicly , right? Seems like either way, you posting these details here which nobody else can substantiate is a bad idea for a KPD cop IMO...

IIRC, Ricky runs in a crowd with some of the football players

 

[DaddyChad]

And that makes it OK to whale on some obviously drunk dude?

How about being a leeetle bit more forgiving when someone accidentally causes you some anguish.....

Can't do that, though I guess..... forgiving an accidental slight means you're a.... weenie? wuss? not able to put a quarters worth of lead in a head?

You’ve heard one side of the story and basically have your mind made up based on that. You’ve continued to make more and more of a DA of yourself in this thread. McCullough could be entirely in the wrong, it also could be a number of different scenarios brought on his reaction. Right or wrong you’re jumping to conclusions based on limited information which makes you appear to be an idiot.

 

[walkenvol]

The real flaw is the move away from innocent until proven guilty. If that were still the norm, cases like the one involving AJ wouldn't be an issue. How we came to the point of guilty until proven innocent is a real travesty.

We’re there for any crime of a male accused by a female or child. IMO

 

[DaddyChad]

You'all are correct in pointing out that both sides of the story have not been heard.
It could well be that the victim here shares much more blame for what happened than he told the officers.
But, short of this guy pulling a weapon (knife, gun, lead pipe), McCollough is dumb and selfish for what he did.
Again, other than a weapon being involved, McCollough should have at the front of his mind to avoid anything that could land him in trouble.
He should have walked away and closed the door - call Police if the guy returns.
Problem being that some of these individuals abide by this idiotic culture that says you must never be disrespected in any way, lest you initiate violence.

So I can just walk up in your house drunk and talk some BS right? At any point are you allowed to be in fear for your life or property? Again we do not know what happened. If I’m in college and some random dude let’s himself in my place I’m assumed at best he’s a thief.

 

[Doberman]

So I can just walk up in your house drunk and talk some BS right? At any point are you allowed to be in fear for your life or property? Again we do not know what happened. If I’m in college and some random dude let’s himself in my place I’m assumed at best he’s a thief.

Yes, you are allowed. While they are in your house. Not after they’ve departed.

 

[GhostVol]

You’ve heard one side of the story and basically have your mind made up based on that. You’ve continued to make more and more of a DA of yourself in this thread. McCullough could be entirely in the wrong, it also could be a number of different scenarios brought on his reaction. Right or wrong you’re jumping to conclusions based on limited information which makes you appear to be an idiot.

There's this mysterious waterfowl roaming around in my yard.... It waddles, it quacks, it poops in a particularly odd way, has webbed feet, and was on its way south for the winter.

I mean, it could be some kind of swan or a goose I suppose.... I'm not an ornithologist. But I'm pretty sure it's a duck.....

And until an actual ornithologist tells me otherwise, it's a reasonable assumption to make based on the facts at hand. And if it does turn out to be some kind of swan or goose I'm not familiar with that just happens to look like a duck? I'll apologize to it for assuming it was a duck and move on..... I'm guessing the bird will give the same number of ****s either way.

You're making this out to be a case of "You're a horrible, horrible, person for making what appear to be reasonable assumptions" and others of us are saying "What drunk *** said makes sense and I can see it happening that way". In the absence of JM's statement that's gonna happen whether you (or anyone else for that matter) like it or not.

And seriously, neither you nor I will affect what happens here.... Irrespective of the conclusions I (or you) jump to.

Oh, and if some random drunk dude insults me and later ends up unconscious, leaking hemoglobin, and missing teeth right outside my front door? Feel free to reach whatever conclusions you'd like... I'll give just as many s***s as the aforementioned bird....

 

[utnvols1]

Yes, you are allowed. While they are in your house. Not after they’ve departed.

Really, If someone chases a person out of their house, and then the person they chase out turns and lunges at them, I would say that self defense is still valid. Based on the police report, the person that instigated the situation admittedly yelled an obscenity at McCollough after he left the apartment. He was also admittedly under the influence, which impairs a person’s motor skills. So, at the minimum, there is a possibility that Jaylen felt threatened and therefore took action to eliminate that threat in self defense. Unless there is video surveillance that would prove that did not happen, I have a hard time believing that the DA would be willing risk a lost conviction to continue to pursue charges in this case. Question would be how long will they try to get McCollough to take a plea deal before they drop them…

 

['Boro-vol]

Hearing JM will serve his suspension against Martin, and that he’ll be available for Bama. Great news if true. It’s good to have a real AD.

 

[CAVPUT]

So I can just walk up in your house drunk and talk some BS right? At any point are you allowed to be in fear for your life or property? Again we do not know what happened. If I’m in college and some random dude let’s himself in my place I’m assumed at best he’s a thief.

It's akin to the castle law. You have every right to defend your home if an intruder invades it, but once that individual is no longer in your home and is no longer a threat, you can't turn vigilante. You need to recognize the situation has changed and adjust your mindset. Jaylen might have gone a step too far and if the facts bear that out, he's sadly going to pay a price.

 

[SaintLouisVol]

Did anything punitive ever happen to the girl? If not, that’s a huge flaw in our legal system.

The bigger flaw is that so many on the outside looking in seem to want everything to be black and white. The fact that AJ was found not guilty is not evidence of her "lying." It is perfectly reasonable to believe that the woman told the story the way she believed it happened, and the DA, using that and any other evidence that may have been gathered, felt there was enough to prosecute. The jury didn't see it that way. It happens everyday in America. It's just that most people it happens to aren't future NFL players.

 

[vollygirl]

IIRC, Ricky runs in a crowd with some of the football players

There is no way in hell that's true.

 

[marcusluvsvols]

IIRC, Ricky runs in a crowd with some of the football players

He posts in the politics forum all the time as an LEO....he is either current or recently former KPD officer. That changes things when it comes to commenting about details of a criminal investigation, especially when including details not made public and without citing any credible sources, articles, etc to substantiate those claims .

 

[37620VOL]

It's akin to the castle law. You have every right to defend your home if an intruder invades it, but once that individual is no longer in your home and is no longer a threat, you can't turn vigilante. You need to recognize the situation has changed and adjust your mindset. Jaylen might have gone a step too far and if the facts bear that out, he's sadly going to pay a price.

You can still "stand your ground" which depends on facts and circumstances but the outcomes can be dicy. When I did my CCW training the instructor said in TN it's exactly like you said. Inside your residence, the homeowner is 99.9% free from repercussions. If you shoot through a window or anywhere outside your residence it becomes a very gray area. The instructor also said your vehicle is treated similarly to your residence.

 

[Rickyvol77]

Ricky you might be a KPD cop bud....but unless you were on scene you should not know all the things you claim here are absolute truth. If you DID, in fact, respond to this call...then your statements here are illegal and could easily get this charge against him tossed ...even if he was guilty...because you went online and made all these claims publicly , right? Seems like either way, you posting these details here which nobody else can substantiate is a bad idea for a KPD cop IMO...

Lol I’m not a police officer. I left that life 20 years ago.

 

[TNnative]

Cant fix stupid, why cant kids just behave. Oh well next man up. He mad a lot of mistakes anyway and I hope a younger dude steps up.

This is why I do not call them kids. Kids do stupid stuff. Men do not. Very simple concept dimwits do not understand. And no, I do not want a debate.

 

[Rickyvol77]

There is no way in hell that's true.

Lol as usual you are clueless about me and where I go. And what I do. I don’t go to ghetto college parties in the Fort but I do have many friends both young and old at UT, at local law enforcement, local politicians, local healthcare and emergency services, and regularly attend alumni and donor events. So yea I have interactions and knowledge of a lot of incidents, sometimes in real time.

It’s funny that facts get people so worked up

 

[norrislakevol]

Really, If someone chases a person out of their house, and then the person they chase out turns and lunges at them, I would say that self defense is still valid. Based on the police report, the person that instigated the situation admittedly yelled an obscenity at McCollough after he left the apartment. He was also admittedly under the influence, which impairs a person’s motor skills. So, at the minimum, there is a possibility that Jaylen felt threatened and therefore took action to eliminate that threat in self defense. Unless there is video surveillance that would prove that did not happen, I have a hard time believing that the DA would be willing risk a lost conviction to continue to pursue charges in this case. Question would be how long will they try to get McCollough to take a plea deal before they drop them…

Probably till after the Georgia game.

 

[Smokey7]

See if Deion can fill in for him lol

 

[GoVols64]

There's this mysterious waterfowl roaming around in my yard.... It waddles, it quacks, it poops in a particularly odd way, has webbed feet, and was on its way south for the winter.

I mean, it could be some kind of swan or a goose I suppose.... I'm not an ornithologist. But I'm pretty sure it's a duck.....

And until an actual ornithologist tells me otherwise, it's a reasonable assumption to make based on the facts at hand. And if it does turn out to be some kind of swan or goose I'm not familiar with that just happens to look like a duck? I'll apologize to it for assuming it was a duck and move on..... I'm guessing the bird will give the same number of ****s either way.

You're making this out to be a case of "You're a horrible, horrible, person for making what appear to be reasonable assumptions" and others of us are saying "What drunk *** said makes sense and I can see it happening that way". In the absence of JM's statement that's gonna happen whether you (or anyone else for that matter) like it or not.

And seriously, neither you nor I will affect what happens here.... Irrespective of the conclusions I (or you) jump to.

Oh, and if some random drunk dude insults me and later ends up unconscious, leaking hemoglobin, and missing teeth right outside my front door? Feel free to reach whatever conclusions you'd like... I'll give just as many s***s as the aforementioned bird....

I believe the distinct difference in your example (and much of this thread) and the situation w/McCullough is you observed, directly, the waterfowl in question. You have facts, not assumptions by which to make a determination. Everything here seems to be people's own lens looking at a situation with few facts. What 99% of us on Volnation know is that a guy who had admitted to drinking walked into McCullough's apartment, words were exchanged and at some point the player knocked the teeth out of a guy. The initial investigation conducted by responding officers resulted in a felony assault charge. This hasn't even gone to the DA yet and we don't know what the legal proceedings will determine.

Until the case is plead or tried in court we will know very little about all of the other circumstances. As you note everything else is assumption and we should refrain from personal insults for expressing opinion....

 

[Smallvol#1]

Anyone remember a girl lying about AJ Johnson and almost ruining his career. And did ruin his last year at UT.

No almost to it. Those accusations ruined his career and put him and his family through sheer he##, cost him millions. As far as I know, no repercussions on her at all except for stress on her family. Last I heard, if true, she was happily living in California with a good job. Note: I said AS FAR AS I KNOW and IF TRUE, just what I heard. I’ll always believe AJ was not treated fairly by the UT/NCAA system.